easy bubble fold PF with QQ?

maldini · #1 06-01-2005, 02:18 PM

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t200 (4 handed) converter

Hero (t4805)
BB (t900)
UTG (t765)
Button (t7030)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
1 fold, Button raises to t7030, Hero calls t4705 (All-In), 1 fold.

Flop: (t12035) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

Turn: (t12035) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: (t12035) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: t12035

Results in white below: 
Hero has Qs Qc (one pair, queens).
Button has 9h Kh (one pair, kings).
Outcome: Button wins t12035. 

am i a moron for calling this? clearly the results are irritating but not really the issue. if my goal is to make as high a ROI as possible. do i fold this every time?

LeVoodoo · #2 06-01-2005, 02:20 PM

The amount of times you win this and cruise to first place are worth the odd time you will bust.
[Edit, you won't cruise to first with the bigstack still having 2000, but i still call]

draw2aflush · #3 06-01-2005, 02:25 PM

Well good news is you do not seem like a moron.A moron would continue to keep making mistakes and would not strive to become better.To answer your question.Fold everytime.Sucks but utg is short stacked very good chance that he will bust before you.Question is what will happen more often.UTG busting out before you or your QQs holding up.Fold everytime

jzieg2313 · #4 06-01-2005, 02:26 PM

Maybe its just me but I think you can fold this. You still have plenty of chips to go to war with after the shortys are gone. Plus even if you win this hand he still has 2200 chips lefts and with the blinds at 200 I do not think is an automatic cruise into first place. I have called in the past in situations like this but am tending to play to the more cautious side now.

JZ

BradleyT · #5 06-01-2005, 02:33 PM

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Plus even if you win this hand he still has 2200 chips lefts and with the blinds at 200 I do not think is an automatic cruise into first place

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If you're losing when you have 10,000 chips out of the 13,500 on the table and blinds are only at $200 you need serious work on your game.

Nicok7 · #6 06-01-2005, 02:34 PM

I definitly call here, you are definitly likely to be 2-1 favorite or slight favorite. The big stack is likely to bully you, if it was me in his shoes, I would be pushing with a very wide range of cards, wich funnily enough might not include AA or KK the only two that dominates you. Assuming the structure at pokerstars is similar to Party, play for first!

kyro · #7 06-01-2005, 02:37 PM

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Well good news is you do not seem like a moron.A moron would continue to keep making mistakes and would not strive to become better.

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Reason to celebrate. Some random guy doesn't think you're a moron!

Anyways. My gut tells me calling is marginally more +EV than folding. I think you win this hand about 70% of the time (especially if big stack has been aggressive), which puts you in the driver seat to take first. Calling will certainly entail more variance, but I believe you should make it.

TheMainEvent · #8 06-01-2005, 02:42 PM

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Question is what will happen more often.UTG busting out before you or your QQs holding up.

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This would be the question if the three top spots paid the same amount. It's more complicated than that.

draw2aflush · #9 06-01-2005, 02:44 PM

Hey asswipe (not poster) that was an attempt to be amusing.Don't be so disgruntled.No malice intended

draw2aflush · #10 06-01-2005, 02:47 PM

Where do you get 10,000 CHIPS FROM?