AK in level 1 with 2 raises before me

Dave613 · #1 06-01-2005, 12:48 PM

Hi all,
this was a frustrating loss at a 20+2. I was assuming that my reraise was large enough for 1 of them to fold, but I was apprehensive about pushing because MP2 was so shortstacked (willing to go allin). I realize that this is abit contradictory and I now think I should have just pushed (but I also now know that MP3 had KQ and probably would have folded if I pushed...though he SHOULD have folded with my 200 raise anyway right?). How would you have played this differently?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t15 (10 handed) converter

Hero (t775)
SB (t388)
BB (t930)
UTG (t700)
UTG+1 (t890)
UTG+2 (t700)
MP1 (t1590)
MP2 (t350)
MP3 (t892)
CO (t785)

Preflop: Hero is Button with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 calls t15, 1 fold, MP1 calls t15, MP2 raises to t45, MP3 raises to t75, 1 fold, Hero raises to t200, 2 folds, UTG+1 folds, MP1 folds, MP2 raises to t350 (All-In), MP3 calls t275, Hero calls t150.

Flop: (t1105) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players, 1 all-in)
MP3 bets t125, Hero calls t125.

Turn: (t1355) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players, 1 all-in)
MP3 bets t150, Hero raises to t300 (All-In), MP3 calls t150.

River: (t1955) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players, 2 all-in)

Final Pot: t1955

djshawk · #2 06-01-2005, 01:11 PM

Push the flop & dont post bad beats.

mithong · #3 06-01-2005, 01:14 PM

I dont know about pushing here... you have almost no fold equity and are most likely a slight dog... i think th better options would be to call the 75 and act on the flop or just fold. you'll be able to outplay them later in the game.

Bigwig · #4 06-01-2005, 01:15 PM

MP3's hand smells like QQ-AA before it reaches you preflop. I'm not going to fold for 75 here, but I am going to flat call. After that flop, I'm probably going broke, too. But, considering the way that the hand played out, you should have pushed the flop.

Dave613 · #5 06-01-2005, 01:17 PM

Thanks for the reply, but I wasnt posting to get out some angst...I honestly was curious about how others would deal with 2 raisers in front. But I am fairly new here...is it very frowned upon to say if you won or lost and how? It was what the winner was holding that got me thinking of how I should have played it differently.

bluefeet · #6 06-01-2005, 01:24 PM

I would have reraised MP3 all-in preflop. MP2 is coming along regardless IMO. If you put MP3 in now, he has a very safe exit point having only put in T75. Another less aggressive option would have been to just call the T75 yourself. I wouldn't mind taking your hand 3-handed to the flop, only having put in T75. A little riskier move though, as MP2 could have reraised your smooth-call, pricing in MP3 again before you (got all of that? [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]). I think the raise to T200 would be the least desirable option. With MP2's subsequent push, MP3 is being offered far too good of pot odds for a hand that was worth raising with to begin with.

Regardless of the PF action..........you MUST push that flop. You only have T425 left. I don't know if you were attempting to trap, or were scared of some kind of hand - no matter...his bet puts over T1200 in the pot. You have your TPTK - push!!

Bigwig · #7 06-01-2005, 01:26 PM

How is pushing all-in preflop less risky that calling?

bluefeet · #8 06-01-2005, 01:33 PM

.....did get a little confusing. The 'risk' of calling IMO, is that the betting is not over yet. I think it is likely that MP2 would say "screw it. i have a hand, I'm pushing". When he does, MP3 calls. You are now back seeing a 3-handed flop (1 out of chips of course) at a cost of T350. And trying to push MP2 out at this point will be less successful, as he is already in for T350.

Yes, my first choice would be - flop @ T75. But with MP2 still to act, and if you assume he might push, I'd consider using this opportunity to get MP3 out of the hand.

Dave613 · #9 06-01-2005, 01:39 PM

"I think the raise to T200 would be the least desirable option. With MP2's subsequent push, MP3 is being offered far too good of pot odds for a hand that was worth raising with to begin with."

I agree that this was a bad move...the result of having two different strands of thought going thru my mind. With MP3s hole cards, I was dead meat after the preflop action anyway. This one was a toughy...hindesight is 20/20 right?

thanks again guys

draw2aflush · #10 06-01-2005, 01:39 PM

There is no way to put the short stack on a better hand than yours.I will explain why.Tell me if things were different. This early in the game and short stack is that LOW!!.Really bad player which means you are probably winning.Unless he got stung with a big hand earlier.You should have pushed preflop.Happy to be heads up with the short stack.Do not worry about the raise by utg (sry whoever raised to 75)They are most likely trying to get it heads up.AK suited only hand that is scary that you might be up against is AA or KK.(I learned along time you cannot be afraid of monsters.)Also AA or KK would generally raise more than 75 or call and slowplay and they did neither.Looking good preflop (Push it!!!)