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Old 05-30-2005, 07:54 AM
Winwood Winwood is offline
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I would really appreciate some analysis of my play here...this was a Party 10+1, no particular reads - all typical loose-ish players, including me I guess

In particular, what do you think about

A) Calling the button's all-in with A4? I put him on a very large range of hands, considering his position and how short-stacked he was

B) The all-in with 33 from the SB after the button limped? I was fairly sure the button folds a lot of the time here - but is 33 too weak to try this with the BB yet to act?

Thanks in advance


#Game No : 2128053537
***** Hand History for Game 2128053537 *****
NL Hold'em $10 Buy-in + $1 Entry Fee Trny:12656266 Level:5 Blinds(100/200) - Monday, May 30, 07:40:55 EDT 2005
Table Table 35238 (Real Money)
Seat 6 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 4: bray444 ( $450 )
Seat 1: dang1001 ( $855 )
Seat 6: harrycm ( $1089 )
Seat 2: Holei1 ( $2513 )
Seat 9: TheOnlineAce ( $2023 )
Seat 7: DarthBalls ( $1070 )
Trny:12656266 Level:5
Blinds(100/200)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to bray444 [ Ks 3c ]
dang1001 folds.
Holei1 folds.
bray444 is all-In [450]
harrycm folds.
DarthBalls folds.
TheOnlineAce folds.
bray444 does not show cards.
bray444 wins 750 chips
Game #2128054210 starts.

#Game No : 2128054210
***** Hand History for Game 2128054210 *****
NL Hold'em $10 Buy-in + $1 Entry Fee Trny:12656266 Level:5 Blinds(100/200) - Monday, May 30, 07:41:25 EDT 2005
Table Table 35238 (Real Money)
Seat 7 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 4: bray444 ( $750 )
Seat 1: dang1001 ( $855 )
Seat 6: harrycm ( $1089 )
Seat 2: Holei1 ( $2513 )
Seat 9: TheOnlineAce ( $1823 )
Seat 7: DarthBalls ( $970 )
Trny:12656266 Level:5
Blinds(100/200)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to bray444 [ Ks As ]
Holei1 calls [200].
bray444 is all-In [750]
harrycm folds.
DarthBalls folds.
TheOnlineAce folds.
dang1001 folds.
Holei1 calls [550].
** Dealing Flop ** [ 8c, 9s, 5d ]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 6s ]
** Dealing River ** [ 2d ]
Holei1 shows [ Kh, Qs ] high card king.
bray444 shows [ Ks, As ] high card ace.
bray444 wins 1800 chips from the main pot with high card ace.
Game #2128054956 starts.

#Game No : 2128054956
***** Hand History for Game 2128054956 *****
NL Hold'em $10 Buy-in + $1 Entry Fee Trny:12656266 Level:5 Blinds(100/200) - Monday, May 30, 07:41:59 EDT 2005
Table Table 35238 (Real Money)
Seat 9 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 4: bray444 ( $1800 )
Seat 1: dang1001 ( $655 )
Seat 6: harrycm ( $1089 )
Seat 2: Holei1 ( $1763 )
Seat 9: TheOnlineAce ( $1723 )
Seat 7: DarthBalls ( $970 )
Trny:12656266 Level:5
Blinds(100/200)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to bray444 [ 3c 5d ]
bray444 folds.
harrycm folds.
DarthBalls folds.
TheOnlineAce folds.
dang1001 folds.
Holei1 does not show cards.
Holei1 wins 300 chips
Game #2128055521 starts.

#Game No : 2128055521
***** Hand History for Game 2128055521 *****
NL Hold'em $10 Buy-in + $1 Entry Fee Trny:12656266 Level:5 Blinds(100/200) - Monday, May 30, 07:42:25 EDT 2005
Table Table 35238 (Real Money)
Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 4: bray444 ( $1800 )
Seat 1: dang1001 ( $555 )
Seat 6: harrycm ( $1089 )
Seat 2: Holei1 ( $1863 )
Seat 9: TheOnlineAce ( $1723 )
Seat 7: DarthBalls ( $970 )
Trny:12656266 Level:5
Blinds(100/200)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to bray444 [ 4c Ad ]
harrycm folds.
DarthBalls folds.
TheOnlineAce folds.
dang1001 is all-In [555]
Holei1 folds.
bray444 calls [355].
** Dealing Flop ** [ Qh, 2c, 2d ]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 9c ]
** Dealing River ** [ Jc ]
bray444 shows [ 4c, Ad ] a pair of twos.
dang1001 shows [ Qc, Qd ] a full house, Queens full of twos.
dang1001 wins 1210 chips from the main pot with a full house, Queens full of twos.
Game #2128056090 starts.

#Game No : 2128056090
***** Hand History for Game 2128056090 *****
NL Hold'em $10 Buy-in + $1 Entry Fee Trny:12656266 Level:5 Blinds(100/200) - Monday, May 30, 07:42:51 EDT 2005
Table Table 35238 (Real Money)
Seat 2 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 4: bray444 ( $1245 )
Seat 1: dang1001 ( $1210 )
Seat 6: harrycm ( $1089 )
Seat 2: Holei1 ( $1763 )
Seat 9: TheOnlineAce ( $1723 )
Seat 7: DarthBalls ( $970 )
Trny:12656266 Level:5
Blinds(100/200)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to bray444 [ 3c 3h ]
DarthBalls folds.
TheOnlineAce folds.
dang1001 folds.
Holei1 calls [200].
bray444 is all-In [1145]
harrycm is all-In [889]
Holei1 folds.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 2c, Qc, Ah ]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 9s ]
** Dealing River ** [ Jd ]
bray444 shows [ 3c, 3h ] a pair of threes.
harrycm shows [ 8h, 8d ] a pair of eights.
bray444 wins 156 chips from side pot #1 with a pair of threes.
harrycm wins 2378 chips from the main pot with a pair of eights.
Game #2128056976 starts.

#Game No : 2128056976
***** Hand History for Game 2128056976 *****
NL Hold'em $10 Buy-in + $1 Entry Fee Trny:12656266 Level:5 Blinds(100/200) - Monday, May 30, 07:43:31 EDT 2005
Table Table 35238 (Real Money)
Seat 4 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 4: bray444 ( $156 )
Seat 1: dang1001 ( $1210 )
Seat 6: harrycm ( $2378 )
Seat 2: Holei1 ( $1563 )
Seat 9: TheOnlineAce ( $1723 )
Seat 7: DarthBalls ( $970 )
Trny:12656266 Level:5
Blinds(100/200)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to bray444 [ 2c 2d ]
TheOnlineAce folds.
dang1001 folds.
Holei1 folds.
bray444 is all-In [156]
harrycm calls [100].
DarthBalls checks.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 8c, 7s, 8h ]
harrycm bets [200].
DarthBalls folds.
** Dealing Turn ** [ Th ]
** Dealing River ** [ 4s ]
harrycm shows [ 5c, 5d ] two pairs, eights and fives.
bray444 shows [ 2c, 2d ] two pairs, eights and twos.
harrycm wins 288 chips from side pot #1 with two pairs, eights and fives.
harrycm wins 468 chips from the main pot with two pairs, eights and fives.
bray444 finished in sixth place.
bray444 has left the table.
Game #2128057777 starts.
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Old 05-30-2005, 08:13 AM
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Default Re: Last to first to out

Psst...
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Old 05-30-2005, 08:20 AM
Winwood Winwood is offline
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Default Re: Last to first to out

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Psst...

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Yeah I know ... and I have been trying it - but such technology seems to be beyond me. When I click 'convert' instead of the nice 2+2 friendly text appearing in the righthand box, I get a new window full of most unfriendly text appear instead.

Any suggestions?
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Old 05-30-2005, 08:24 AM
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Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t200 (6 handed) converter

UTG (t855)
MP (t2513)
Hero (t450)
Button (t1089)
SB (t1070)
BB (t2023)

Preflop: Hero is CO with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Hero calls t450 (All-In), <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>.

Final Pot: t750

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
No showdown. Hero wins t750. </font>
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Old 05-30-2005, 12:32 PM
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Default Re: Last to first to out

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#Game No : 2128055521
***** Hand History for Game 2128055521 *****
NL Hold'em $10 Buy-in + $1 Entry Fee Trny:12656266 Level:5 Blinds(100/200) - Monday, May 30, 07:42:25 EDT 2005
Table Table 35238 (Real Money)
Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 4: bray444 ( $1800 )
Seat 1: dang1001 ( $555 )
Seat 6: harrycm ( $1089 )
Seat 2: Holei1 ( $1863 )
Seat 9: TheOnlineAce ( $1723 )
Seat 7: DarthBalls ( $970 )
Trny:12656266 Level:5
Blinds(100/200)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to bray444 [ 4c Ad ]
harrycm folds.
DarthBalls folds.
TheOnlineAce folds.
dang1001 is all-In [555]
Holei1 folds.
bray444 calls [355].
** Dealing Flop ** [ Qh, 2c, 2d ]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 9c ]
** Dealing River ** [ Jc ]
bray444 shows [ 4c, Ad ] a pair of twos.
dang1001 shows [ Qc, Qd ] a full house, Queens full of twos.
dang1001 wins 1210 chips from the main pot with a full house, Queens full of twos.
Game #2128056090 starts.

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In the BB I think you have to call the all-in with A4 unless you have the read that says otherwise. Sometimes I will fold in this situation if the pusher as been extreamly tight has rarelt raised (like once or twice). These situations don't come up often but they do and you don't want to be kicking yourself for calling when you knew their all-in meant serious strength.

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#Game No : 2128056090
***** Hand History for Game 2128056090 *****
NL Hold'em $10 Buy-in + $1 Entry Fee Trny:12656266 Level:5 Blinds(100/200) - Monday, May 30, 07:42:51 EDT 2005
Table Table 35238 (Real Money)
Seat 2 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 4: bray444 ( $1245 )
Seat 1: dang1001 ( $1210 )
Seat 6: harrycm ( $1089 )
Seat 2: Holei1 ( $1763 )
Seat 9: TheOnlineAce ( $1723 )
Seat 7: DarthBalls ( $970 )
Trny:12656266 Level:5
Blinds(100/200)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to bray444 [ 3c 3h ]
DarthBalls folds.
TheOnlineAce folds.
dang1001 folds.
Holei1 calls [200].
bray444 is all-In [1145]
harrycm is all-In [889]
Holei1 folds.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 2c, Qc, Ah ]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 9s ]
** Dealing River ** [ Jd ]
bray444 shows [ 3c, 3h ] a pair of threes.
harrycm shows [ 8h, 8d ] a pair of eights.
bray444 wins 156 chips from side pot #1 with a pair of threes.
harrycm wins 2378 chips from the main pot with a pair of eights.
Game #2128056976 starts.

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I'm much more likely to push broadways and A6+ here than low pockets. This is a good situation for a push, but I don't like the hand you were dealt. At this point you had pushed two of the last four hands and called an all-in as well. I don't think your FE is great here and I really don't want to be called when holding 33. In fact I'm probably pushing 98s and 87s and not 33.
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Old 05-30-2005, 03:35 PM
Winwood Winwood is offline
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At this point you had pushed two of the last four hands and called an all-in as well. I don't think your FE is great here ...

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That's an excellent observation - and not something I have really considered before. Damn this website is good [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]
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