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Old 05-29-2005, 07:48 PM
dentoner dentoner is offline
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Default Is it profitable to lay down KK preflop in this example?

His line was such a standard AA preflop I knew it beforehand but still called


PokerStars Game #1792865018: Hold'em No Limit ($0.50/$1.00) - 2005/05/29 - 19:40:42 (ET)
Table 'Caprera II' Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: CSketch ($34.10 in chips)
Seat 2: dsaxton ($109.05 in chips)
Seat 3: Spartan1 ($41.30 in chips)
Seat 4: Snakey007 ($58.65 in chips)
Seat 5: Captain 231 ($157.10 in chips)
Seat 6: dentoner ($120.90 in chips)
Seat 7: mattpco ($27.25 in chips)
Seat 8: jdzito75 ($124.35 in chips)
Seat 9: Thomas299 ($33 in chips)
jdzito75: posts small blind $0.50
Thomas299: posts big blind $1
Snakey007: posts big blind $1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to dentoner [Kd Ks]
CSketch: folds
dsaxton: folds
Spartan1: raises $2 to $3
Snakey007: folds
Captain 231: folds
dentoner: raises $7 to $10
mattpco: folds
jdzito75: folds
Thomas299: folds
Spartan1: raises $31.30 to $41.30 and is all-in
dentoner said, "i smell AA"
Captain 231 said, "lol"
dentoner said, "standard AA play"
dentoner said, "but im gonna call"
dentoner: calls $31.30
*** FLOP *** [Ts Qc 9h]
dentoner said, "kk"
*** TURN *** [Ts Qc 9h] [Td]
*** RIVER *** [Ts Qc 9h Td] [7s]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Spartan1: shows [Ad As] (two pair, Aces and Tens)
dentoner: mucks hand
dentoner said, "yup"
Spartan1 collected $82.10 from pot
dentoner said, "nh"
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $85.10 | Rake $3
Board [Ts Qc 9h Td 7s]
Seat 1: CSketch folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: dsaxton folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: Spartan1 showed [Ad As] and won ($82.10) with two pair, Aces and Tens
Seat 4: Snakey007 folded before Flop
Seat 5: Captain 231 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: dentoner mucked [Kd Ks]
Seat 7: mattpco (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: jdzito75 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 9: Thomas299 (big blind) folded before Flop
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Old 05-29-2005, 07:50 PM
dentoner dentoner is offline
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Default Re: Is it profitable to lay down KK preflop in this example?

I mean when you are pretty sure they have AA as the case here b/c i see this play alllll the time played out like this and i just piss away money. Was hoping for QQ or a pathetic JJ
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Old 05-29-2005, 08:08 PM
Ghazban Ghazban is offline
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Default Re: Is it profitable to lay down KK preflop in this example?

It depends on how sure "pretty sure" is. You could do some math to figure out what percentage of the time the villain needs to have aces for folding here to be a good option. In general, by the time the 3rd raise goes in, there's so much in the pot that you need to be quite certain you are against aces for folding to be your best option.
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Old 05-29-2005, 08:15 PM
kongo_totte kongo_totte is offline
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Default Re: Is it profitable to lay down KK preflop in this example?

With stacks this shallow, he'd have to show me his A A before I fold.
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Old 05-29-2005, 08:21 PM
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Default Re: Is it profitable to lay down KK preflop in this example?

He'd have to show me his aces too.
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Old 05-29-2005, 08:28 PM
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Default Re: Is it profitable to lay down KK preflop in this example?

the probability of KK vs AA at a full ring is approx 1/22, i use 1/20 as a walkaround number. i see many fish go allin with QQ, JJ, and lower, i'm gonna call with my KK every time unless i have a read on the villian.
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