Two Plus Two Older Archives  

Go Back   Two Plus Two Older Archives > Tournament Poker > One-table Tournaments
FAQ Community Calendar Today's Posts Search

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 05-26-2005, 11:44 PM
Unarmed Unarmed is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Posts: 2
Default $55s - K9o Push UTG With 7 To Act

Note that the player to my left has less than 3xBB. Blinds up in 5 hands.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t200 (8 handed) converter

MP1 (t1020)
MP2 (t995)
CO (t1115)
Button (t665)
SB (t2225)
BB (t2340)
Hero (t1120)
UTG+1 (t520)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 05-26-2005, 11:50 PM
Moonsugar Moonsugar is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Posts: 170
Default Re: $55s - K9o Push UTG With 7 To Act

Pushing is friggin retarded.

You gotta be joking.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 05-27-2005, 12:11 AM
Bigwig Bigwig is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Posts: 38
Default Re: $55s - K9o Push UTG With 7 To Act

Little too wreckless. I like this move if you have 4BB, not ~6. You can still get through the blinds, and find a better spot.
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 05-27-2005, 12:55 AM
Newt_Buggs Newt_Buggs is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: San Diego, the $50s
Posts: 760
Default Re: $55s - K9o Push UTG With 7 To Act

I was going to post a similar hand where i had 900 chips which I think is marginal. There is no reason to push this when you will still have FE after losing 300 chips.

What would everyones play be if hero had t900?
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 05-27-2005, 01:07 AM
proell proell is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Posts: 48
Default Re: $55s - K9o Push UTG With 7 To Act

i still believe it is a fold with 900.
though definately closer.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 05-27-2005, 01:15 AM
lehighguy lehighguy is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Posts: 590
Default Re: $55s - K9o Push UTG With 7 To Act

From an EV standpoint its obviously -EV.

The only reason to push is to preserve a chip stack big enough for people to fold to your pushes (fold equity). In a sense making a -EV move to make +EV moves in the future.

However, your 1100 chips means it will be easy to preserve fold equity without pushing here. If I had 800-900 chips I would probably push.
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 05-27-2005, 08:37 AM
Unarmed Unarmed is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Posts: 2
Default Re: $55s - K9o Push UTG With 7 To Act

Thank you. (and Bigwig)

This is clearly -EV. However, if I fold this, someone will push into my BB, and I can't take the BB from my SB with two cards because BB is pot committed with <3BB. So, if I fold this, I have to hope it gets folded around to my button, CO, or CO+1, which isn't real likely. If I don't get a chance to be first in by that point, I'm in EP again, but this time I have only 820 chips at 150/300. So say it gets to me UTG again and I'm dealt K9o. Yay, now pushing is +EV, but I'm clearly in a worse position that I was the prior round.

Also, this game (8 handed at Level 5) isn't looking like its going to be real profitable for me. If someone flipped up A8 in the BB and said, I'm calling anyone, I'd still push K9o UTG.

The way to effectively argue for a fold is to note that over 8 or 9 hands I'll expect to be dealt a hand about as good as AJo, so I should wait.
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 05-27-2005, 09:29 AM
Moonsugar Moonsugar is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Posts: 170
Default Re: $55s - K9o Push UTG With 7 To Act

edit: early morning reading comprehension problems
Reply With Quote
Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 06:46 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.