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Old 05-26-2005, 10:41 PM
soah soah is offline
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I've been playing fairly tight, usually raising if I'm first in preflop. Limping behind others sometimes with weak hands. Playing aggressively but picking my spots carefully. I've built my stack to a bit over $500 when this hand comes up. (My opponent has me covered.)

Guy in front of me has been doing a lot of minraising and minbetting in the hands he plays. But he is playing sorta tight, and I haven't seen him showdown enough of those hands to get much of a read on him yet. So he's tight and plays weird.

A couple hands ago he busted a guy with AA vs KK. No minraising/minbetting crap in that hand.

The dude that busted just left, and someone else just left, so we're suddenly four-handed.

I have 22 UTG and raise to $12. BB is the only caller.

Flop is A23 rainbow. He checks, I bet $16, he raises to $40, I call.

Turn 9, he bets $55, I raise to $155, he pushes.
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Old 05-26-2005, 11:31 PM
Macquarie Macquarie is offline
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Wow, tough hand. Could he do this with AK/AQ? Seems possible on the flop, but unlikely on the turn unless he picked up the backdoor flush draw. A2s or A3s seem possible too.

I think it's a call... you're getting more than 2:1 on the final call.

Very interested to hear what others think...
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Old 05-27-2005, 12:43 AM
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I would assume that he was on the A...figuring you for either an A with a smaller kicker.....or a smaller pocket pair...I would call in this situation, especially considering you were only four-handed. Also, it is very very unlikely that he had AA again since you said he had it recently already. I think a call here is the right move.
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Old 05-27-2005, 12:55 AM
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I call and expect to see A3 or AK (less likely)

I don't think he has 33 or 45. I think with the flopped set/str8 he would not have check-raised you on the flop, nor led out on the turn ... I think those hands would play softer and not allow you to get away so easy (if you dont have an ace, you fold).

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Old 05-27-2005, 01:00 AM
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i think you're up against 54, 33, A3, A2, AA, in that order. just reading your post i think calling the push on the turn was -EV but that said i think in the heat of the moment i probably would have called.

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Old 05-27-2005, 01:17 AM
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Also, it is very very unlikely that he had AA again since you said he had it recently already.

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so if i get AA what are my odds for getting it next hand?
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Old 05-27-2005, 01:29 AM
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Also, it is very very unlikely that he had AA again since you said he had it recently already.

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so if i get AA what are my odds for getting it next hand?

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this made me laugh.

cheers!
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Old 05-27-2005, 05:16 AM
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I would roll over and die if anyone in this game ever showed me AK after playing the hand like that.
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Old 05-27-2005, 05:21 AM
theredpill5 theredpill5 is offline
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I would certainly call this 4 handed. You say he's tight so that is really the only reason I'd call. I expect to see A2, A3, A9, even A4 (straight draw).

So what happened ?

I think you might have to call this. He's putting you on AK , AQ, A J , etc . He believes he has you beat so I think you have to call. I'm saying that he isn't expecting to see 45 from you so he may be overplaying his hand a little.
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Old 05-27-2005, 05:23 AM
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Why would a tight player be LESS likely to have a strong hand?
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