Is there a rational explanation for this?

iceman5 · #1 05-26-2005, 05:15 PM

My last 20K hands at Prima $1/$2NL
$60/hr playing 3 tables...16.5BB/100 hands

My last 10K hands at Party $1/$2NL
$18/hr playing 3 tables....5.0BB/100 hands

Win rates are true win rates (double PT stats)

Im stumped and frustrated. Obviously I can just keep playing at Prima, but there has to be an explanation. Maybe Im playing differently, but I dont see how or why I would be.

The only difference I see is that Prima allows short stacks. There is a $20 min buy in on a $200 table. There are always several short stack around $30-$100 and they almost always stink and donate their money.

That cant be enough to make this big a difference can it?

On the other hand, my $2/$4NL win rate at Party is quite a bit higher than my $1/$2 win rate at Party so maybe its just been a lot of bad beats while playing $1/$2?

tripdad · #2 05-26-2005, 05:19 PM

clearly this proves once and for all that party is rigged.

cheers!

iceman5 · #3 05-26-2005, 05:20 PM

How did I know someone would say that?

ahnuld · #4 05-26-2005, 05:27 PM

Iceman, I used to play small nl games on both prima (royal vegas) and party, but I found the prima games to be much better at the low levels. Im currently smashing the .25 .50, but i find its alot easier to make money on these tables than the party 50 tables. Its not luck, people are just awful at prima.

wtfsvi · #5 05-26-2005, 05:27 PM

10k hands is not a lot, and the nearest explanation is variance I think.

From what I hear the play is a bit more weak tight at prima though. I'm not sure if that is correct, but if it is, the optimal style of play over there would contain more bluffing obviously.

iceman5 · #6 05-26-2005, 05:37 PM

I almost never bluff. I play tight aggressive and they just keep calling me.

wtfsvi · #7 05-26-2005, 05:50 PM

If you almost never bluff (or semibluff), I think your winrate at prima must on the very good side of variance, or the 1/2 game over there must be very fishy and I should give it a go.

I could be wrong though. It happens often [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]

wtfsvi · #8 05-26-2005, 05:51 PM

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TheWorstPlayer · #9 05-26-2005, 06:03 PM

Variance. Could also be that the opposition's style is different and one suits your style better. Could also be that the interface makes a difference. I know for a fact that I play more aggro at UB where the 'bet pot' button is so enticing than I do at Party where it is a pain to bet. I'm an idiot, but it is true.

iceman5 · #10 05-26-2005, 06:09 PM

That damned "bet pot" button is why I left UB. It makes bad players make more correct bets in alot of circumstances.

When I said I almost never bluff, I really meant I almost never do things like make an all in turn bet as a bluff.

I probably bet more flops with absolutely nothing than anyone else I play with. I bet draws all the time and will push in with a draw if I get raised and Im playing the right person who I think knows how to fold.

But yeah, the $1/$2 at Prima is incredibly weak. I would say there is about 6 really good players at the entire site, so I almost never have more than 1 of them at my table.