AA first hand.. do you call?

[ekky]

I am stumped on this. Big blind of a 5 seater $100 sng.

Payout is 250/150/100

3 people go all in and one person folds... do you call!

my math is this: AA vs 3 random hands is a 63.9% chance. so 63.9% of the time your equity is $230.. and 36.1% of the time it is zero.

0.639*230 + .36 * 0 = $146.97

However, if you fold, your equity is:

0.45*100 + 0.35 * 150 + 0.2 * 250 = $147.2

so it seems like its best to fold AA here!

What am I missing?

[adanthar]

Start off by fixing your math not to be against 3 random hands.

Also, your equity if you overcall isn't zero, because you're splitting third place money.

[runner4life7]

The main reason folding is actually good here I think is because its almost guaranteed money if you fold, provided there isnt a split pot.

With that said I would probably still call, and now that I read about splitting the 3rd place that I missed I think I call even easier.

[ekky]

how about if it is second hand and he posted a blind.. so if he loses he doesn't split 3rd place?

its purely hypothetical.. so thats why it is the assumption of random hands..

[citanul]

how about you stop worrying about the stupidest thing in the world?
drop this thread.

citanul

[ekky]

I dont understand why it is silly.

It helps to gain a theoretical understanding surely. If you cant offer anything useful, maybe you should just bypass it?

[Scuba Chuck]

CALL!
CALL!
CALL!
CALL!

Did I say call?

[citanul]

it's silly because

a) it's been asked a million jillion times before

b) you have all the tools that are necessary to answer the question available to you without asking the forum for anything

c) you apparently know how to use those tools, though you screwed up some assumptions, but now that they're set, you should be ok

d) it basically will never happen, so it's a purely hypothetical with NO bearing on any sort of situation that will happen in a real game

continuing:

when your stupid hypothetical question is not only succinctly answered by your own post but someone else gave you the methods needed to continue the work that you already know how to do yourself, and then you need to continue with "it's just a silly hypothetical" and "but what if i changed this stupid little detail by 5 chips," your question is probably useless and trite.

citanul

additionally, since you're showing work in your original posts, showing up with reasoning for the numbers you just throw in there would probably be good. you seem to have made assumptions about your finish distribution, and at least stating where they came from would be a good step.

cockbreath.

[ekky]

I am impressed with your anger management. Calling someone "cockbreath" for asking a simple question? that is highly impressive.

AA vs. 1 random hand: 85.2%
AA vs. 2 random hands: 73.4%
AA vs. 3 random hands: 63.9%
AA vs. 4 random hands: 55.9%
AA vs. 5 random hands: 49.2%
AA vs. 6 random hands: 43.6%
AA vs. 7 random hands: 38.8%
AA vs. 8 random hands: 34.7%
AA vs. 9 random hands: 31.1%


My assumptions haven't been set. They were set when the stacks were equal, and us busting out got us a share of 3rd place. Now if we bust, we dont get a share of 3rd place because we dont have the same amount of chips as the other people all in.

It happened tonite. I sat at a $100 5 seater on prima and some scandi maniacs sat down and said "ok.. all in blind?"

I got AA second hand after posting the blind.


I think if you look at the situation.. where in one we split 3rd place.. and the other we get nothing for losing.. those 5 chips count for quite a lot.

I dont know why this has caused so much anger in you, it seems entirely displaced. If you dont like it.. stick to all the other threads.

I happen to think the fact that if we lose in this case we dont split 3rd place has some bearing, given the fact that I was actually against 3 random hands.

[lorinda]

If you dont like it.. stick to all the other threads.

The problem is that all the other threads are on the same topic.

Lori