Hi, I wasted all my chips on a draw

Steve · #1 05-23-2005, 03:45 PM

$50+$5. Is there anything I can do better here? I had seen the MP fold when bet into on the flop so I tried it with my draw. Unfortunately he raised the minimum and I didn't know what to do next except call (I know not to call with draws in NL but I figured with my implied odds I'm getting about 7 to 1 to double up here, how can I fold?). Then same problem again on the turn. Next thing I know I've blown the whole tournament on a stupid draw. What should I have done differently?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t100 (6 handed) converter

MP (t1455)
CO (t830)
Button (t630)
SB (t4325)
Hero (t1400)
UTG (t1360)

Preflop: Hero is BB with T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
1 fold, MP raises to t200, 2 folds, SB calls t150, Hero calls t100.

Flop: (t600) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets t300, MP raises to t600, SB folds, Hero calls t300.

Turn: (t1800) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets t300, Hero calls t300.

Results in white below: 
I hit my goofy straight on the river and doubled up.
MP has Kc Kh (one pair, kings).
Hero has Th 9h (straight, queen high).
Outcome: Hero wins t2700.

kyro · #2 05-23-2005, 03:47 PM

I believe check/folding the flop (unless the bet is nice and tiny) is the way to go.

Bigwig · #3 05-23-2005, 03:50 PM

Check/fold, or check/raise all-in on the flop if MP bets a piddly amount (like 300). I don't mind your call preflop. But you only have a straight draw and there are two overcards. This is not a great flop for T9s. A better one (where you could bet out) would be 872, or 987.

durron597 · #4 05-23-2005, 03:51 PM

If I think MP is capable of laying down a decent hand I check raise this flop. I don't like to bet it out of position, though.

UMTerp · #5 05-23-2005, 03:51 PM

Fold preflop.

ur2god · #6 05-23-2005, 03:54 PM

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Fold preflop.

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oxymoron · #7 05-23-2005, 04:00 PM

Unless you are not confident in your post flop play I don't see folding preflop. You are getting 5:1 odds on your money.
On the flop there are two people in the hand so I would check fold this and wait for a better opportunity later. You would be left with 1300 chips and will have better hands and steal attempts later on.

DasLeben · #8 05-23-2005, 04:10 PM

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Unless you are not confident in your post flop play I don't see folding preflop. You are getting 5:1 odds on your money.
On the flop there are two people in the hand so I would check fold this and wait for a better opportunity later. You would be left with 1300 chips and will have better hands and steal attempts later on.

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That's true, but there's also something to be said about folding here to conserve every bit of FE for later rounds. I dunno...you are getting a great price on the hand, so maybe it is a call.

UMTerp · #9 05-23-2005, 04:11 PM

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Unless you are not confident in your post flop play I don't see folding preflop. You are getting 5:1 odds on your money.
On the flop there are two people in the hand so I would check fold this and wait for a better opportunity later. You would be left with 1300 chips and will have better hands and steal attempts later on.

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If you advocate calling preflop, isn't this the type of flop you want to play? Granted it's not perfect, but I don't know if you're going to hit something better enough of the time to warrant calling in the first place.

Bigwig · #10 05-23-2005, 04:13 PM

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Unless you are not confident in your post flop play I don't see folding preflop. You are getting 5:1 odds on your money.
On the flop there are two people in the hand so I would check fold this and wait for a better opportunity later. You would be left with 1300 chips and will have better hands and steal attempts later on.

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That's true, but there's also something to be said about folding here to conserve every bit of FE for later rounds. I dunno...you are getting a great price on the hand, so maybe it is a call.

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It's close. With a larger stack, I call in a flash. But you are near that push/fold zone with 1400 before posting, so it becomes very iffy with T9s. I would probably want some kind of read on the raiser. If he's been mini-raising a lot, for example, I'd call.