109 bubble push?

hansarnic · #1 05-23-2005, 05:13 AM

Stacks roughly 4k (me), 2k, 2k, 2k.

Blinds 200/400.

Me UTG with QTs.

My image is becoming ever more maniacal but these guys still aren't calling with trash. Do you push this one or let it go?

curtains · #2 05-23-2005, 05:14 AM

Elementary push, not even close. Even if you are seen as a huge bully you absolutely must push here.

lehighguy · #3 05-23-2005, 05:16 AM

I wish all my hands were this easy, PUSH!

Shillx · #4 05-23-2005, 05:18 AM

I'm going to the felt. Everytime I was in this spot today I saw 93o and 84o (maybe that is what playing for 14 hours straight will do to you)

Brad

curtains · #5 05-23-2005, 05:19 AM

btw in most tables $109 or above any 2 is a clear push here.

lehighguy · #6 05-23-2005, 05:24 AM

If we limit thier calling range to 77+,A9+ you make $3.57 in EV for pushing 32o all in.

If we loosen up to 22+,A2+,KQ,KJs you are still making $1.23 in EV by pushing all in.

I could easily make a case as to why thier calling range would be the tigher one based on the fact that they don't want to go out in 4th place and they can afford to lay down the blinds.

hansarnic · #7 05-23-2005, 05:31 AM

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btw in most tables $109 or above any 2 is a clear push here.

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Well, yes, if you can get it through enough of course any two is a push.

But if you put me on any two, what are you calling with from each position?

hansarnic · #8 05-23-2005, 05:44 AM

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If we limit thier calling range to 77+,A9+ you make $3.57 in EV for pushing 32o all in.

If we loosen up to 22+,A2+,KQ,KJs you are still making $1.23 in EV by pushing all in.

I could easily make a case as to why thier calling range would be the tigher one based on the fact that they don't want to go out in 4th place and they can afford to lay down the blinds.

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OK, thx.

I think the latter range is far more realistic. Are you saying I make $1.23 pushing 32o or pushing QTs?

And is this Eastbay's programme you;re using?

lehighguy · #9 05-23-2005, 05:53 AM

Yes, eastbay's program.

Yes, the $1.23 is based on Q10s.

I would make the case that at 109 the calling range would be the tighter one. While I think KQ/KJ are more likely to call I think hands like A2o and 44 are going to have a very hard time calling. Remember, even if he puts you on any two those hands represent a coinflip. When you consider that the payout for 4th is nothing and 3rd is $200 its in his best interest to avoid coinflip situations. He will probably fold and wait for a chance to push hoping to pick up the blinds himself.

curtains · #10 05-23-2005, 06:02 AM

zero chance the player on the button is calling with something like A4o