Good place for a stop and go... or fold preflop?

[Karak567]

***** Hand History for Game 2091485714 *****
NL Hold'em $20 Buy-in + $2 Entry Fee Trny:12449637 Level:3 Blinds(25/50) - Monday, May 23, 00:38:36 EDT 2005
Table Table 13853 (Real Money)
Seat 2 is the button
Total number of players : 7
Seat 6: sepher28 ( $740 )
Seat 9: illa5th ( $1035 )
Seat 2: SNAKEMN ( $650 )
Seat 5: DaShuang ( $690 )
Seat 3: majikdaddy ( $775 )
Seat 1: runcm ( $2885 )
Seat 8: Boney872 ( $1225 )
Trny:12449637 Level:3
Blinds(25/50)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to sepher28 [ 9c 9s ]
sepher28 calls [50].
Boney872 folds.
illa5th folds.
runcm raises [250].
SNAKEMN folds.
majikdaddy folds.
DaShuang folds.
>You have options at Table 14435 Table!.
sepher28 calls [200].

I won't tell you what the flop was, but I pushed it, no matter what.

[TStokes]

I would probably push preflop but I if you are going to pull a stop n go I like your play.

[Degen]

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I would probably push preflop

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this is horrible advice and you should not do this yourself tstokes.

i find it hard to fold that PF, but pushing ANY flop is also a bit wreckless.

I like to stopngo with total rags, this hand has value.


I'd push in front of him on a safe flop, but be less inclined if the flop had an A and more inclined on a paired flop or (obviously) an undercard flop.


Andre

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If you have resigned yourself to going to war, I would push over his 250 raise. If you plan to push the flop no matter what- why call and give him a chance to see it? That said, I probably fold to his raise. 99 is not worth it, IMO.

I am from Lancaster too, BTW. Went to Penn Manor, class of 92. Any chance I know you?

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[Scuba Chuck]

I don't like your preflop line at all. The call is a terrible idea. Furthermore, this is not a good situation for a stopNgo. The way you played it, fold when it comes back around to you.

Scuba

[citanul]

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I like to stopngo with total rags, this hand has value.

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oh man. this could lead to trouble.

[Shillx]

You are essentially risking 700 here to win 375. So if you pushed every single flop, you would need to have it work about 2/3 of the time to breakeven. The problem imo is that there are going to be too many boards that you will not want to push into, and then you will just be giving him a free 200. This looks like a fold preflop to me when you consider how often it has to work when you do push, and how often you will actually be in a good spot to push to begin with (I'm assuming that you will be dead to 2 outs if he does call your push).

Correct me if I'm wrong since I'm still trying to figure this out.

Brad

[Scuba Chuck]

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You are essentially risking 700 here to win 375. So if you pushed every single flop, you would need to have it work about 2/3 of the time to breakeven. The problem imo is that there are going to be too many boards that you will not want to push into, and then you will just be giving him a free 200. This looks like a fold preflop to me when you consider how often it has to work when you do push, and how often you will actually be in a good spot to push to begin with (I'm assuming that you will be dead to 2 outs if he does call your push).

Correct me if I'm wrong since I'm still trying to figure this out.


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I've never seen you post here before, but your advice is dead on IMO.
Scuba

[The Yugoslavian]

Yeah...you can fold this here given that you limped.

Yugoslav
PS Unless you can put villian on a huge range due to the ubiquitous reverse-gap concept and then you can push...

[Scuba Chuck]

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Yugoslav
PS Unless you can put villian on a huge range due to the ubiquitous reverse-gap concept and then you can push...

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Yugo, did you notice that Newt bugs post essentially is a "reverse gap" post/question?