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private joker · #1 05-12-2005, 12:57 AM

I think I played this hand properly but I'm a bit rusty so I'm posting to make sure... First orbit at the table; I have no stats on either opponent.

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Preflop: Hero is MP1 with T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, Hero calls, 4 folds, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (4 SB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG+1 bets, Hero raises, SB folds, BB calls, UTG+1 calls.

Turn: (5 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB bets, UTG+1 calls, Hero raises, BB calls, UTG+1 calls.

River: (11 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero bets (obviously)...

I'm pretty curious about the flop -- since I want to sweeten the pot for my monster draw, does anyone smooth-call the bet from my right? What's an alternative line here from the way I played it?

imported_leader · #2 05-12-2005, 01:02 AM

Standard. I don't like calling the flop. Way to much equity for that.

jason_t · #3 05-12-2005, 01:09 AM

Seems standard as hell.

Goodnews · #4 05-12-2005, 01:14 AM

Played it find imo, in fact you managed to pull in an extra bet. The obvious exception is that you know for sure that SB or BB is gonig to raise.

blackize · #5 05-12-2005, 01:20 AM

You have to raise that flop to find out where you are. Since they flat called you can bet nobody has the FH yet and that if anyone has a 9 their kicker is weak.

chesspain · #6 05-12-2005, 01:24 AM

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You have to raise that flop to find out where you are.

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Raising for information is highly overrated.

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Since they flat called you can bet nobody has the FH yet and that if anyone has a 9 their kicker is weak.

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Do you think that anyone who flopped a full house would go crazy and possibly kill their later action?

elindauer · #7 05-12-2005, 01:26 AM

Pretty dangerous to raise the turn. BB has made it clear you are behind, I'm surprised he didn't 3-bet. I just call the turn.

The flop raise is fine. If you drop the other guys, you give yourself a chance to win the pot unimproved, which is worth 1 SB. If they call, hey, you've got the big draw. The more the merrier.

Good luck.
Eric

private joker · #8 05-12-2005, 01:29 AM

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Pretty dangerous to raise the turn. BB has made it clear you are behind

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Are you serious?

jason_t · #9 05-12-2005, 01:30 AM

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Pretty dangerous to raise the turn. BB has made it clear you are behind, I'm surprised he didn't 3-bet. I just call the turn.

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Please elaborate. I don't see this.

elindauer · #10 05-12-2005, 01:30 AM

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You have to raise that flop to find out where you are.

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Ugh. You have queen high. You are drawing. You don't have to raise to know this. Raising is fine for other reasons (deception... you may win the pot unimproved, value... you have a big draw with high pot equity).

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Since they flat called you can bet nobody has the FH yet and that if anyone has a 9 their kicker is weak.

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Oh man. Terrible hand reading. Maybe the small stakes games are playing much easier these days, but in my experience the big blind calling 2 cold = 9 quite often. A slowplayed fullhouse is a perfectly reasonable holding for this action, especially when he bets out on the turn.

my 2 cents.
Eric