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Old 05-11-2005, 09:55 PM
Eihli Eihli is offline
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Default TT facing an all-in on an undercard flop.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t15 (10 handed) converter

UTG+1 (t790)
UTG+2 (t1720)
MP1 (t720)
MP2 (t585)
Hero (t770)
CO (t830)
Button (t770)
SB (t785)
BB (t825)
UTG (t205)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, UTG+2 calls t15, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP2 calls t15, Hero calls t15, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, BB checks.

Flop: (t67.50) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>

UTG+2 bets 60. Next guy calls. I raise to 150. He pushes.
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Old 05-12-2005, 08:53 AM
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Default Re: TT facing an all-in on an undercard flop.

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Old 05-12-2005, 09:01 AM
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Default Re: TT facing an all-in on an undercard flop.

I smell a set. fold. plenty of time to fight.Super System says beware of a limped in pot. Everyone limped hoping to flop the nuts cheap. Don't be surprised if someone does.

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Old 05-12-2005, 09:01 AM
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Default Re: TT facing an all-in on an undercard flop.

I'm pretty sure he's only on a draw but when you combine the outside chance he's already made a straight or flopped a set with the likelihood he catches his draw if you call... I'd probably fold here. His draw might even be a flush draw with a high heart like an A or K and then he doesn't even need to make his flush to win, just catch a pair bigger than your 10's.. Definitely fold this early on.
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Old 05-12-2005, 03:03 PM
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Default Re: TT facing an all-in on an undercard flop.

This is a very highly probable call if the caller folds. Range of hands I put villain on are, flush draw ( you're ahead), A8 (you're ahead), 99 (you're ahead), 66 (you're ahead), TJ (you're ahead).

Other possibilities:
AA - poorly played
set
straight

Start applying probabilities to all of these different hands, and I think you'll find that a call here will pay off in the long run.
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Old 05-12-2005, 03:14 PM
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Default Re: TT facing an all-in on an undercard flop.

Call, I think you are ahead most of the time here, you have to make this call.

Supersystem is not about party poker SNG's with super short stacks. You will double up a lot here, if not you just fire another one up.
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Old 05-12-2005, 03:25 PM
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Default Re: TT facing an all-in on an undercard flop.

What $ game is this?

Why raise post-flop?

Were you trying to take the pot down then and there?

What did you expect that the two villains would do in response to your raise?

I know the mantra is raise or fold, or more often, push or fold, but why not just call the flop bet and see what happens at the turn, especially since you get to act last?

The Shadow (who has many questions [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] but few answers [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img])
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Old 05-12-2005, 03:43 PM
Newt_Buggs Newt_Buggs is offline
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Default Re: TT facing an all-in on an undercard flop.

I'de raise a little more on the flop, but thats just me. I'de also call for the above reasons and get ready to beat my head on the wall.

Just calling on the flop is really bad. Just about every card on the turn is going to severely weaken your hand, which is the main reason why I would raise more on the flop.
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Old 05-12-2005, 03:50 PM
Scuba Chuck Scuba Chuck is offline
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Default Re: TT facing an all-in on an undercard flop.

Shadow, from the chip count you can assume it's a $33 or below game.

You raise post flop because you likely have the best hand. What do you do when you think you have the best hand?

That being said, I agree with other posters here that your postflop raise should be much more. Threaten to go allin is probably the amount you should bet. Or, threaten their stack. If your bet was to invite an allin, then your bet was perfect.

Shadow, what would concern me the most is when I reraise and I get called (especially with three in the pot). A push here screams 'weak hand.' - IMO.
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Old 05-12-2005, 04:38 PM
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Default Re: TT facing an all-in on an undercard flop.

[ QUOTE ]
This is a very highly probable call if the caller folds. Range of hands I put villain on are, flush draw ( you're ahead), A8 (you're ahead), 99 (you're ahead), 66 (you're ahead), TJ (you're ahead).

Other possibilities:
AA - poorly played
set
straight

Start applying probabilities to all of these different hands, and I think you'll find that a call here will pay off in the long run.

[/ QUOTE ]

Scuba, I am not sure I agree entirely with the selection of hands you can put villain on.
TJ: unlikely for two reasons. you already have TT and it's a gut shot. Maybe JhTh...
A8: given your raise, he has to figure that you beat TPTK. Maybe Ah8h...

I put villain on 44,77,88,99,JJ,Th9h,JhTh,AhKh,Ah8h,56. (assuming this a $33)

I would personnally fold here.
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