Tell me how you would play this hand

Bigwig · #1 05-11-2005, 03:53 AM

Please comment on any/all streets.

$50.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (10 handed) converter

UTG (t810)
UTG+1 (t1345)
UTG+2 (t955)
MP1 (t1045)
MP2 (t835)
MP3 (t950)
CO (t915)
Button (t1115)
SB (t1090)
Hero (t940)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
7 folds, Button calls t30, 1 fold, Hero checks.

Flop: (t75) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets t50, Button raises to t100, Hero calls t50.

Turn: (t275) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets t175, Hero raises to t810 (All-In), Button calls t635.

River: (t1895) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: t1895

Results in white below: 
Hero has Qs Ks (one pair, kings).
Button has 8c 5c (two pair, eights and fives).
Outcome: Button wins t1895.

Apathy · #2 05-11-2005, 04:08 AM

I think calling the turn might be better, it doesn't really look like you are ahead on the turn, and I can't think of a hand that beats you that would fold to this check raise. I would be very worried about being up against a set or 67 meaning you have only 8-9 outs. The min raise and then strong turn bet on a coordinated board is a pretty good indicator that the villian really likes their hand.

Bigwig · #3 05-11-2005, 04:21 AM

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I think calling the turn might be better, it doesn't really look like you are ahead on the turn, and I can't think of a hand that beats you that would fold to this check raise. I would be very worried about being up against a set or 67 meaning you have only 8-9 outs. The min raise and then strong turn bet on a coordinated board is a pretty good indicator that the villian really likes their hand.

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I guess, but I'm not just thinking about outs. I certainly have fold equity on the turn here. It seems to me that 'most' of the time I'm ahead, with the stronger draw, don't you think?

Degen · #4 05-11-2005, 04:25 AM

i don't bet that flop

Andre

Seadood228 · #5 05-11-2005, 04:27 AM

Yes, which is why I don't mind him betting the hand for me. I thing a c/r on the turn will fold a lot of the hands I want calling, but none of the hands I'd want to fold.

The river is a much tougher decision if a blank hits. I'd probably just check/call or put out a blocking bet with my weak ass.

lorinda · #6 05-11-2005, 04:27 AM

i don't bet that flop

You may end up paying more than 100 to see the turn if you don't.
Sometimes I will and sometimes I won't (which sums up nearly every move for me on this one) but I don't think it's bad.

Lori

Bigwig · #7 05-11-2005, 04:29 AM

I'm starting to think that this hand looks like you could check, or call, or bet, or raise on any street and it wouldn't necessarily be bad.

Seadood228 · #8 05-11-2005, 04:29 AM

esp. headsup against a BT limper. I think the bet is pretty standard. If stacks were deeper perhaps a check/raise of the pot. If the stacks were shallower I like a c/r allin.

If you check here you give the BT a license to blow you off the hand with an amount you are uncomfortable calling or raising.

johnnybeef · #9 05-11-2005, 04:47 AM

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I'm starting to think that this hand looks like you could check, or call, or bet, or raise on any street and it wouldn't necessarily be bad.

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yeah i was originally going to write a response and i realized the same...that being said id prolly check call depending on the price