dfscott HU example

[dfscott]

Edit: this is per curtains' request in the other thread, but anyone can feel free to comment.

Here's a HU game I think I played pretty poorly, but I'm really not sure what to do differently. This is pretty typical of my HU battles, but as you can tell, I got a little frustrated at the end. Should I be pushing the J3o?

#Game No : 2030370293
***** Hand History for Game 2030370293 *****
NL Hold'em $30 Buy-in + $3 Entry Fee Trny:12098528 Level:9 Blinds(300/600) - Tuesday, May 10, 22:35:17 EDT 2005
Table Table 11279 (Real Money)
Seat 2 is the button
Total number of players : 2
Seat 2: dfscott1 ( $5300 )
Seat 8: deadmoneyNJ ( $2700 )
Trny:12098528 Level:9
Blinds(300/600)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to dfscott1 [ 2h 7c ]
JDRIFE: gg
dfscott1: gg
dfscott1 folds.
deadmoneyNJ shows [ 7s, 3c ] high card seven.
deadmoneyNJ wins 900 chips from the main pot with high card seven.
Game #2030371658 starts.

#Game No : 2030371658
***** Hand History for Game 2030371658 *****
NL Hold'em $30 Buy-in + $3 Entry Fee Trny:12098528 Level:9 Blinds(300/600) - Tuesday, May 10, 22:35:30 EDT 2005
Table Table 11279 (Real Money)
Seat 8 is the button
Total number of players : 2
Seat 2: dfscott1 ( $5000 )
Seat 8: deadmoneyNJ ( $3000 )
Trny:12098528 Level:9
Blinds(300/600)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to dfscott1 [ 9c 7h ]
dfscott1: I had 72o [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
deadmoneyNJ calls [300].
dfscott1 checks.
** Dealing Flop ** [ Kd, 4d, Qd ]
deadmoneyNJ: lol
dfscott1 bets [600].
deadmoneyNJ folds.
dfscott1 does not show cards.
dfscott1 wins 1800 chips
Game #2030373795 starts.

#Game No : 2030373795
***** Hand History for Game 2030373795 *****
NL Hold'em $30 Buy-in + $3 Entry Fee Trny:12098528 Level:9 Blinds(300/600) - Tuesday, May 10, 22:35:52 EDT 2005
Table Table 11279 (Real Money)
Seat 2 is the button
Total number of players : 2
Seat 2: dfscott1 ( $5600 )
Seat 8: deadmoneyNJ ( $2400 )
Trny:12098528 Level:9
Blinds(300/600)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to dfscott1 [ 3s 8h ]
dfscott1 folds.
deadmoneyNJ does not show cards.
deadmoneyNJ wins 900 chips
Game #2030374973 starts.

#Game No : 2030374973
***** Hand History for Game 2030374973 *****
NL Hold'em $30 Buy-in + $3 Entry Fee Trny:12098528 Level:9 Blinds(300/600) - Tuesday, May 10, 22:36:03 EDT 2005
Table Table 11279 (Real Money)
Seat 8 is the button
Total number of players : 2
Seat 2: dfscott1 ( $5300 )
Seat 8: deadmoneyNJ ( $2700 )
Trny:12098528 Level:9
Blinds(300/600)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to dfscott1 [ Tc 2d ]
deadmoneyNJ folds.
dfscott1 does not show cards.
dfscott1 wins 900 chips
Game #2030375858 starts.

#Game No : 2030375858
***** Hand History for Game 2030375858 *****
NL Hold'em $30 Buy-in + $3 Entry Fee Trny:12098528 Level:9 Blinds(300/600) - Tuesday, May 10, 22:36:11 EDT 2005
Table Table 11279 (Real Money)
Seat 2 is the button
Total number of players : 2
Seat 2: dfscott1 ( $5600 )
Seat 8: deadmoneyNJ ( $2400 )
Trny:12098528 Level:9
Blinds(300/600)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to dfscott1 [ 3s Jc ]
dfscott1 folds.
deadmoneyNJ shows [ 5s, 7d ] high card seven.
deadmoneyNJ wins 900 chips from the main pot with high card seven.
Game #2030377365 starts.

#Game No : 2030377365
***** Hand History for Game 2030377365 *****
NL Hold'em $30 Buy-in + $3 Entry Fee Trny:12098528 Level:9 Blinds(300/600) - Tuesday, May 10, 22:36:26 EDT 2005
Table Table 11279 (Real Money)
Seat 8 is the button
Total number of players : 2
Seat 2: dfscott1 ( $5300 )
Seat 8: deadmoneyNJ ( $2700 )
Trny:12098528 Level:9
Blinds(300/600)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to dfscott1 [ 3c Jh ]
deadmoneyNJ calls [300].
dfscott1 checks.
** Dealing Flop ** [ Th, Tc, 4c ]
dfscott1 bets [600].
deadmoneyNJ folds.
dfscott1 does not show cards.
dfscott1 wins 1800 chips
Game #2030379228 starts.

#Game No : 2030379228
***** Hand History for Game 2030379228 *****
NL Hold'em $30 Buy-in + $3 Entry Fee Trny:12098528 Level:9 Blinds(300/600) - Tuesday, May 10, 22:36:44 EDT 2005
Table Table 11279 (Real Money)
Seat 2 is the button
Total number of players : 2
Seat 2: dfscott1 ( $5900 )
Seat 8: deadmoneyNJ ( $2100 )
Trny:12098528 Level:9
Blinds(300/600)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to dfscott1 [ 3h Jc ]
dfscott1 folds.
deadmoneyNJ shows [ 8s, 4s ] high card eight.
deadmoneyNJ wins 900 chips from the main pot with high card eight.
Game #2030381058 starts.

#Game No : 2030381058
***** Hand History for Game 2030381058 *****
NL Hold'em $30 Buy-in + $3 Entry Fee Trny:12098528 Level:9 Blinds(300/600) - Tuesday, May 10, 22:37:01 EDT 2005
Table Table 11279 (Real Money)
Seat 8 is the button
Total number of players : 2
Seat 2: dfscott1 ( $5600 )
Seat 8: deadmoneyNJ ( $2400 )
Trny:12098528 Level:9
Blinds(300/600)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to dfscott1 [ 9h 6s ]
deadmoneyNJ folds.
dfscott1 does not show cards.
dfscott1 wins 900 chips
Game #2030382070 starts.

#Game No : 2030382070
***** Hand History for Game 2030382070 *****
NL Hold'em $30 Buy-in + $3 Entry Fee Trny:12098528 Level:9 Blinds(300/600) - Tuesday, May 10, 22:37:11 EDT 2005
Table Table 11279 (Real Money)
Seat 2 is the button
Total number of players : 2
Seat 2: dfscott1 ( $5900 )
Seat 8: deadmoneyNJ ( $2100 )
Trny:12098528 Level:9
Blinds(300/600)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to dfscott1 [ 2c 6s ]
dfscott1 raises [900].
deadmoneyNJ calls [600].
** Dealing Flop ** [ 3s, 3h, Ts ]
deadmoneyNJ is all-In [900]
dfscott1 calls [900].
** Dealing Turn ** [ 5d ]
** Dealing River ** [ Jd ]
deadmoneyNJ shows [ 8c, Td ] two pairs, tens and threes.
dfscott1 shows [ 2c, 6s ] a pair of threes.
deadmoneyNJ wins 4200 chips from the main pot with two pairs, tens and threes.
Game #2030384496 starts.

#Game No : 2030384496
***** Hand History for Game 2030384496 *****
NL Hold'em $30 Buy-in + $3 Entry Fee Trny:12098528 Level:9 Blinds(300/600) - Tuesday, May 10, 22:37:35 EDT 2005
Table Table 11279 (Real Money)
Seat 8 is the button
Total number of players : 2
Seat 2: dfscott1 ( $3800 )
Seat 8: deadmoneyNJ ( $4200 )
Trny:12098528 Level:9
Blinds(300/600)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to dfscott1 [ Qs Jc ]
deadmoneyNJ calls [300].
dfscott1 is all-In [3200]
deadmoneyNJ folds.
dfscott1 does not show cards.
dfscott1 wins 4400 chips
Game #2030386602 starts.

#Game No : 2030386602
***** Hand History for Game 2030386602 *****
NL Hold'em $30 Buy-in + $3 Entry Fee Trny:12098528 Level:9 Blinds(300/600) - Tuesday, May 10, 22:37:55 EDT 2005
Table Table 11279 (Real Money)
Seat 2 is the button
Total number of players : 2
Seat 2: dfscott1 ( $4400 )
Seat 8: deadmoneyNJ ( $3600 )
Trny:12098528 Level:9
Blinds(300/600)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to dfscott1 [ 7s 3h ]
dfscott1 folds.
deadmoneyNJ does not show cards.
deadmoneyNJ wins 900 chips
Game #2030387916 starts.

#Game No : 2030387916
***** Hand History for Game 2030387916 *****
NL Hold'em $30 Buy-in + $3 Entry Fee Trny:12098528 Level:9 Blinds(300/600) - Tuesday, May 10, 22:38:08 EDT 2005
Table Table 11279 (Real Money)
Seat 8 is the button
Total number of players : 2
Seat 2: dfscott1 ( $4100 )
Seat 8: deadmoneyNJ ( $3900 )
Trny:12098528 Level:9
Blinds(300/600)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to dfscott1 [ 9s 8h ]
deadmoneyNJ raises [900].
dfscott1 folds.
deadmoneyNJ does not show cards.
deadmoneyNJ wins 1800 chips
Game #2030389229 starts.

#Game No : 2030389229
***** Hand History for Game 2030389229 *****
NL Hold'em $30 Buy-in + $3 Entry Fee Trny:12098528 Level:9 Blinds(300/600) - Tuesday, May 10, 22:38:20 EDT 2005
Table Table 11279 (Real Money)
Seat 2 is the button
Total number of players : 2
Seat 2: dfscott1 ( $3500 )
Seat 8: deadmoneyNJ ( $4500 )
Trny:12098528 Level:9
Blinds(300/600)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to dfscott1 [ Kd Jh ]
dfscott1 is all-In [3200]
deadmoneyNJ folds.
dfscott1 does not show cards.
dfscott1 wins 4100 chips
Game #2030390314 starts.

#Game No : 2030390314
***** Hand History for Game 2030390314 *****
NL Hold'em $30 Buy-in + $3 Entry Fee Trny:12098528 Level:9 Blinds(300/600) - Tuesday, May 10, 22:38:31 EDT 2005
Table Table 11279 (Real Money)
Seat 8 is the button
Total number of players : 2
Seat 2: dfscott1 ( $4100 )
Seat 8: deadmoneyNJ ( $3900 )
Trny:12098528 Level:9
Blinds(300/600)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to dfscott1 [ 2d 6h ]
deadmoneyNJ calls [300].
dfscott1 checks.
** Dealing Flop ** [ Qh, 7h, 4s ]
dfscott1 checks.
deadmoneyNJ checks.
** Dealing Turn ** [ Qd ]
dfscott1 checks.
deadmoneyNJ bets [1200].
dfscott1 folds.
deadmoneyNJ does not show cards.
deadmoneyNJ wins 2400 chips
Game #2030392597 starts.

#Game No : 2030392597
***** Hand History for Game 2030392597 *****
NL Hold'em $30 Buy-in + $3 Entry Fee Trny:12098528 Level:9 Blinds(300/600) - Tuesday, May 10, 22:38:53 EDT 2005
Table Table 11279 (Real Money)
Seat 2 is the button
Total number of players : 2
Seat 2: dfscott1 ( $3500 )
Seat 8: deadmoneyNJ ( $4500 )
Trny:12098528 Level:9
Blinds(300/600)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to dfscott1 [ Qh 9h ]
dfscott1 is all-In [3200]
deadmoneyNJ folds.
dfscott1 does not show cards.
dfscott1 wins 4100 chips
Game #2030393850 starts.

#Game No : 2030393850
***** Hand History for Game 2030393850 *****
NL Hold'em $30 Buy-in + $3 Entry Fee Trny:12098528 Level:9 Blinds(300/600) - Tuesday, May 10, 22:39:05 EDT 2005
Table Table 11279 (Real Money)
Seat 8 is the button
Total number of players : 2
Seat 2: dfscott1 ( $4100 )
Seat 8: deadmoneyNJ ( $3900 )
Trny:12098528 Level:9
Blinds(300/600)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to dfscott1 [ 7s 4d ]
deadmoneyNJ folds.
dfscott1 does not show cards.
dfscott1 wins 900 chips
Game #2030394727 starts.

#Game No : 2030394727
***** Hand History for Game 2030394727 *****
NL Hold'em $30 Buy-in + $3 Entry Fee Trny:12098528 Level:9 Blinds(300/600) - Tuesday, May 10, 22:39:13 EDT 2005
Table Table 11279 (Real Money)
Seat 2 is the button
Total number of players : 2
Seat 2: dfscott1 ( $4400 )
Seat 8: deadmoneyNJ ( $3600 )
Trny:12098528 Level:9
Blinds(300/600)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to dfscott1 [ 8h 2s ]
dfscott1 is all-In [4100]
deadmoneyNJ is all-In [3000]
** Dealing Flop ** [ Js, 9d, Jd ]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 8d ]
** Dealing River ** [ Qc ]
dfscott1 shows [ 8h, 2s ] two pairs, jacks and eights.
deadmoneyNJ shows [ Jh, Qs ] a full house, Jacks full of queens.
dfscott1 wins 800 chips from side pot #1 with two pairs, jacks and eights.
deadmoneyNJ wins 7200 chips from the main pot with a full house, Jacks full of queens.
lol
Game #2030396244 starts.

#Game No : 2030396244
***** Hand History for Game 2030396244 *****
NL Hold'em $30 Buy-in + $3 Entry Fee Trny:12098528 Level:9 Blinds(300/600) - Tuesday, May 10, 22:39:28 EDT 2005
Table Table 11279 (Real Money)
Seat 8 is the button
Total number of players : 2
Seat 2: dfscott1 ( $800 )
Seat 8: deadmoneyNJ ( $7200 )
Trny:12098528 Level:9
Blinds(300/600)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to dfscott1 [ 9c 8d ]
deadmoneyNJ raises [900].
dfscott1 is all-In [200]
** Dealing Flop ** [ Ah, Jh, 3h ]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 3d ]
** Dealing River ** [ 5s ]
deadmoneyNJ shows [ 7s, As ] two pairs, aces and threes.
dfscott1 shows [ 9c, 8d ] a pair of threes.
deadmoneyNJ wins 400 chips from side pot #1 with two pairs, aces and threes.
deadmoneyNJ wins 1600 chips from the main pot with two pairs, aces and threes.
dfscott1 finished in second place and won $90.
gg
dfscott1 has left the table.
Congratulations,deadmoneyNJ! You won $150.
gg
deadmoneyNJ has left the table.

[durron597]

[ QUOTE ]
#Game No : 2030379228
***** Hand History for Game 2030379228 *****
NL Hold'em $30 Buy-in + $3 Entry Fee Trny:12098528 Level:9 Blinds(300/600) - Tuesday, May 10, 22:36:44 EDT 2005
Table Table 11279 (Real Money)
Seat 2 is the button
Total number of players : 2
Seat 2: dfscott1 ( $5900 )
Seat 8: deadmoneyNJ ( $2100 )
Trny:12098528 Level:9
Blinds(300/600)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to dfscott1 [ 3h Jc ]
dfscott1 folds.
deadmoneyNJ shows [ 8s, 4s ] high card eight.
deadmoneyNJ wins 900 chips from the main pot with high card eight.
Game #2030381058 starts.

[/ QUOTE ]

Push. You've been folding a bunch, he will respect it.

[ QUOTE ]
#Game No : 2030382070
***** Hand History for Game 2030382070 *****
NL Hold'em $30 Buy-in + $3 Entry Fee Trny:12098528 Level:9 Blinds(300/600) - Tuesday, May 10, 22:37:11 EDT 2005
Table Table 11279 (Real Money)
Seat 2 is the button
Total number of players : 2
Seat 2: dfscott1 ( $5900 )
Seat 8: deadmoneyNJ ( $2100 )
Trny:12098528 Level:9
Blinds(300/600)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to dfscott1 [ 2c 6s ]
dfscott1 raises [900].
deadmoneyNJ calls [600].
** Dealing Flop ** [ 3s, 3h, Ts ]
deadmoneyNJ is all-In [900]
dfscott1 calls [900].
** Dealing Turn ** [ 5d ]
** Dealing River ** [ Jd ]
deadmoneyNJ shows [ 8c, Td ] two pairs, tens and threes.
dfscott1 shows [ 2c, 6s ] a pair of threes.
deadmoneyNJ wins 4200 chips from the main pot with two pairs, tens and threes.
Game #2030384496 starts.

[/ QUOTE ]

Fold preflop. If you don't do that, fold on the flop. You have 6 high.

[BDarch]

[ QUOTE ]
[#Game No : 2030382070
***** Hand History for Game 2030382070 *****
NL Hold'em $30 Buy-in + $3 Entry Fee Trny:12098528 Level:9 Blinds(300/600) - Tuesday, May 10, 22:37:11 EDT 2005
Table Table 11279 (Real Money)
Seat 2 is the button
Total number of players : 2
Seat 2: dfscott1 ( $5900 )
Seat 8: deadmoneyNJ ( $2100 )
Trny:12098528 Level:9
Blinds(300/600)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to dfscott1 [ 2c 6s ]
dfscott1 raises [900].
deadmoneyNJ calls [600].
** Dealing Flop ** [ 3s, 3h, Ts ]
deadmoneyNJ is all-In [900]
dfscott1 calls [900].
** Dealing Turn ** [ 5d ]
** Dealing River ** [ Jd ]
deadmoneyNJ shows [ 8c, Td ] two pairs, tens and threes.
dfscott1 shows [ 2c, 6s ] a pair of threes.
deadmoneyNJ wins 4200 chips from the main pot with two pairs, tens and threes.
Game #2030384496 starts.

[/ QUOTE ]

idk what you were thinking on this one, The raise preflop is ok becasue you have been folding so much he may interpert it as a monster but why would you call on the flop?

EDIT: o no i lost my avatar!

[dfscott]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
[#Game No : 2030382070
***** Hand History for Game 2030382070 *****
NL Hold'em $30 Buy-in + $3 Entry Fee Trny:12098528 Level:9 Blinds(300/600) - Tuesday, May 10, 22:37:11 EDT 2005
Table Table 11279 (Real Money)
Seat 2 is the button
Total number of players : 2
Seat 2: dfscott1 ( $5900 )
Seat 8: deadmoneyNJ ( $2100 )
Trny:12098528 Level:9
Blinds(300/600)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to dfscott1 [ 2c 6s ]
dfscott1 raises [900].
deadmoneyNJ calls [600].
** Dealing Flop ** [ 3s, 3h, Ts ]
deadmoneyNJ is all-In [900]
dfscott1 calls [900].
** Dealing Turn ** [ 5d ]
** Dealing River ** [ Jd ]
deadmoneyNJ shows [ 8c, Td ] two pairs, tens and threes.
dfscott1 shows [ 2c, 6s ] a pair of threes.
deadmoneyNJ wins 4200 chips from the main pot with two pairs, tens and threes.
Game #2030384496 starts.

[/ QUOTE ]

idk what you were thinking on this one, The raise preflop is ok becasue you have been folding so much he may interpert it as a monster but why would you call on the flop?

EDIT: o no i lost my avatar!

[/ QUOTE ]

Yeah, this one was really dumb. I was thinking he probably had nothing. Of course, I had less than nothing.

[Benholio]

Pushing with 6-2 >>> min-raise with 6-2. Push (or 3xBB) seems to be your standard (which is good), why change it now of all times?

[curtains]

Ok first off, once the blinds are 300-600 you cannot be min raising, its completely absurd. If you want to play 62 there you must move allin. Of course you should also move allin with the J3o from the SB, this is the whole point of the K+S charts, to prove that folding is wrong. You have the information right in front of you, yet you choose to ignore it. Folding the J3o is flat out terrible IMO.

It was clear the guy was playing tight preflop and was not going to call you with some random BS, so I would have been moving allin with some random cards at some point a lot sooner than you chose to. (Most notably hand 3 with 83o, right after you folded the previous hand, thus showing that you arent a giant bully)

[ QUOTE ]

#Game No : 2030390314
***** Hand History for Game 2030390314 *****
NL Hold'em $30 Buy-in + $3 Entry Fee Trny:12098528 Level:9 Blinds(300/600) - Tuesday, May 10, 22:38:31 EDT 2005
Table Table 11279 (Real Money)
Seat 8 is the button
Total number of players : 2
Seat 2: dfscott1 ( $4100 )
Seat 8: deadmoneyNJ ( $3900 )
Trny:12098528 Level:9
Blinds(300/600)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to dfscott1 [ 2d 6h ]
deadmoneyNJ calls [300].
dfscott1 checks.
** Dealing Flop ** [ Qh, 7h, 4s ]
dfscott1 checks.
deadmoneyNJ checks.
** Dealing Turn ** [ Qd ]
dfscott1 checks.
deadmoneyNJ bets [1200].
dfscott1 folds.
deadmoneyNJ does not show cards.
deadmoneyNJ wins 2400 chips
Game #2030392597 starts.



[/ QUOTE ]

I know you've been playing aggressively postflop, but your opponent has also been playing quite passively. He checked the flop and the queen paired. Unless I really felt like they were fed up with me, I'd take a stab here most of the time. The worst hand though is folding the J3o from the SB earlier when your opponent has only 3.5x the BB. These little mistakes should cost you over the long run.

Probably there were some times where you could have pushed after your opponent limped from the SB too....maybe with the J3o, or the 97o, although don't just do this every single time as some people on this board suggest.

[curtains]

Anyway I want to emphasize how big a mistake I think folding hands like J3o there are. If you continuously do this with similar hands and situations, it should really hurt your results. Jack high is a lot better than you think when the blinds get to 300-600 with 8k in play.

[octaveshift]

If I could be so bold.... As an experiment, the next time you get HU, I think you should raise from the button every time, and see how it works for you.

Do it every time. See what happens.

At the start of this HH you have the chip lead, but you aren't using it. (I know the blinds are climbing fast, but I think it's a mistake to be folding so much. IMO your stack is deep enough to raise without a push.)

Make the villain decide if he wants to call half his stack off with 73o! If not, take his blind and continue to chip away. Put him to the test. Keep him on the defensive.

Now, someone please post telling me I am an idiot.

[Newt_Buggs]

[ QUOTE ]
but your opponent has also been playing quite passively. He checked the flop and the queen paired. Unless I really felt like they were fed up with me, I'd take a stab here most of the time. The worst hand though is folding the J3o from the SB earlier when your opponent has only 3.5x the BB. These little mistakes should cost you over the long run.

[/ QUOTE ]
this is exactly what I was thinking as I read it through.

I think that you need to play aggressive pf because if you have any fold equity (which you did against a weak opponent like this). He really does not have to fold many times before taking down the 900 chips already in the pot is extreemly profitable

oh yeah, and I would fold the 63o hand preflop since you raised the hand before. The only time I am playing this hand is if I have gotten total junk several hands in a row and haven't made a move in a while. Also some players (myself included) will sometimes interpret a mini raise as strong, but you haven't been playing very aggressive so far and this guy is weak so a push would be better if you are going to play it

[curtains]

Well you all need to simply KNOW the K+S chart's. Theyve been posted on this forum many times before, and to fold a hand when its clear +EV even when the hand is turned face up, is inexcusable. You can simply look at it while you are playing if you don't know it.

Forget about the ideas of moving allin every single time as soon as it's heads up. Poker is not that simplistic. Against some opponent's it may seem correct, but most people will adjust if youve moved allin 2-3 hands in a row, it's just human nature.