-EV on the river?

moot · #1 05-10-2005, 11:43 AM

They were so passive. Man, I was so CLOSE!

Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is Button with J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG calls, 2 folds, MP1 calls, 1 fold, MP3 calls, 1 fold, Hero calls, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (6 SB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (6 players)
SB checks, BB bets, UTG calls, MP1 calls, MP3 calls, Hero raises, SB folds, BB calls, UTG calls, MP1 calls, MP3 calls.

Turn: (8 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (5 players)
BB bets, UTG calls, MP1 calls, MP3 folds, Hero calls.

River: (12 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, MP1 checks, Hero bets, BB folds, UTG folds, MP1 calls.

Final Pot: 14 BB

mmbt0ne · #2 05-10-2005, 11:47 AM

That's a hard play to make into 3 opponents, especially when only 1 of them has shown signs of giving up.

davelin · #3 05-10-2005, 11:48 AM

Raise pre-flop. Check the river, I'm fairly certain you didn't win this hand.

moot · #4 05-10-2005, 11:49 AM

Holy hell you're right. Why on earth didn't I raise this preflop...

Wow, I didn't even realize. I normally do...

But yeah, there's too many of 'em. I think with one less it might be an okay shot. Only has to work a small % of the time.

Dunno · #5 05-10-2005, 11:50 AM

Hehehe well nice try. This is very readdependent but usually dont bet it. ppl love to so what there opponents had and could call w just a pair of 5s in this spot. if u feel that u could trick them u should try but dont try it to often and not in small pots.
But in this case when u have 5 persons left in the pot ur bet is doomed to fail.

GL // Dunno

gopnik · #6 05-10-2005, 11:51 AM

you are bluffing into 4 people with a big pot. You'll get called 99% of the time.
I like raising preflop too. (although I myself not doing it yet)

moot · #7 05-10-2005, 11:53 AM

When did this become 5 handed on the end?

Where is this 4th other person that everyone keeps talking about?

joeski19 · #8 05-10-2005, 11:54 AM

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Raise pre-flop.

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I have a hard time raising this with 3 limpers in front of me. I wouldn't have a problem if I was first in. Are you raising because they limped?

istewart · #9 05-10-2005, 11:56 AM

Shouldn't you have an easier time raising it with the limpers in front of you, and you on the button?

jrz1972 · #10 05-10-2005, 11:56 AM

We have a hand that plays very well multiway, we have the button, and we have three limpers who are probably not very good (.5/1). This is a good spot to raise for value.

Edit: I would raise ATo here as well, but I feel better about raising with QJs than I do with ATo with three limpers already in. With just one limper or if I were first in, I would rather have ATo.