AJo Hits TPTK, Drop it or call down?

Grail · #1 05-09-2005, 10:38 AM

BB looks is maniac ish, but seems smart post-flop.

VPIP 60.56
PFR 11.27
AF(PostFlop) 1.27
Over 300 hands

His PF 3bet didn't worry me that much. Seen him bet like that with medium pairs or other hands I beat, but not enough to even think about capping it.

Is capping this flop correct? Should the very coordinated board scare me off this early?

After I cap and he leads into me on the turn I'm 90% sure I'm beat with little if any redraws. Call down anyway just in case? He's pretty aggresive, but I haven't seen him make any crazy bluff post flop.

Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
4 folds, Hero raises, 2 folds, SB calls, BB 3-bets, Hero calls, SB calls.

Flop: (9 SB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, BB bets, Hero raises, SB folds, BB 3-bets, Hero caps, BB calls.

Turn: (8.50 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB bets, Hero calls.

River: (10.50 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 12.50 BB

@bsolute_luck · #2 05-09-2005, 10:46 AM

i wouldn't cap the flop (i am MAJORLY guilty of doing the same thing).

curiousity would probably screw me on this hand as i want to know what he 3-bet preflop and is doing all this betting with. KQ? trip tens/nines? so i'd probably call down, but better players may fold the river, maybe even the turn [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

xLukex · #3 05-09-2005, 10:50 AM

I don't cap this flop.

If he is a true maniac, he will certainly raise hands like JT or 9T. I am a wuss in this hand. I *might* go into call down mode, and call on the river, but that's just because it is what SSHE wants me to do. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

_bustedflush_ · #4 05-09-2005, 10:53 AM

I go to show down way too often, so I am thinking out loud as much as answering you.

Once you get to the turn, you're talking about risking 2 BB to win 2 BB. Whatever you figure the chances of winning are, they've got to be less than 50%. The turn didn't help you. It must be time to fold. This looks like one of those times where the redraw to a gutshot or bd flush makes the difference.

Piiop · #5 05-09-2005, 10:54 AM

What do you mean he seems smart postflop? Someone with a VPIP of 60.5 and an AF of 1.27 must be very aggressive postflop.

I'd just call the 3-bet on the flop and call down from there w/o improvement, but I don't see anything with putting another bet in versus a maniac. The coordinated board combined with the pf 3-bet makes me want to slow down sooner, but if he's really maniac than I wouldn't

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After I cap and he leads into me on the turn I'm 90% sure I'm beat with little if any redraws. Call down anyway just in case? He's pretty aggresive, but I haven't seen him make any crazy bluff post flop.

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Well is he a maniac or isn't he? His stats certainly seem to indicate that he is. I don't know why you would think you're beat here THAT often. I wouldn't consider folding.

Piiop · #6 05-09-2005, 10:55 AM

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Once you get to the turn, you're talking about risking 2 BB to win 2 BB

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?? What happened to the rest of the pot??

Buckmulligan · #7 05-09-2005, 11:03 AM

I would call down after the 3 bet on the flop.

Grail · #8 05-09-2005, 11:11 AM

He was very loose PF, but seemed to be willig to fold when he had absolutly nothing after the flop. He was agressive post/flop but nothing that looked completly insane to me.

I to called down because SSH told me to. This pot is to big to give up on TPTK isn't it?

McGahee · #9 05-09-2005, 11:21 AM

Some of this advice baffles me.

It seems everyone wants to raise KK with an A on the flop when a predictable, typical Party .5/1 bets, and you have 2 outs.

Here we want to fold TPTK against a borderline maniac? That's insane. Call his flop 3-bet, pop him on the turn when a blank hits, and call down from there. Hero's line is a reasonable alternative. You can't fold this.

@bsolute_luck · #10 05-09-2005, 11:25 AM

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Some of this advice baffles me.

It seems everyone wants to raise KK with an A on the flop when a predictable, typical Party .5/1 bets, and you have 2 outs.

Here we want to fold TPTK against a borderline maniac? That's insane. Call his flop 3-bet, pop him on the turn when a blank hits, and call down from there. Hero's line is a reasonable alternative. You can't fold this.

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are you looking at the same hand? i think you messed up something...