Do you make this call here?

[Karak567]

#Game No : 2011745982
***** Hand History for Game 2011745982 *****
NL Hold'em $10 Buy-in + $1 Entry Fee Trny:11989202 Level:2 Blinds(15/30) - Saturday, May 07, 03:57:32 EDT 2005
Table Table 11213 (Real Money)
Seat 9 is the button
Total number of players : 8
Seat 2: rrooyy111 ( $1030 )
Seat 3: xbonggoox ( $1765 )
Seat 5: TitoTheDog ( $855 )
Seat 7: bigben00 ( $1290 )
Seat 8: BLT_jp ( $760 )
Seat 9: erb4321 ( $745 )
Seat 10: Rybuk ( $1150 )
Seat 1: wildwhits ( $405 )
Trny:11989202 Level:2
Blinds(15/30)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to erb4321 [ Kd Ad ]
rrooyy111 folds.
xbonggoox raises [90].
TitoTheDog folds.
bigben00 folds.
BLT_jp folds.
>You have options at Table 11030 Table!.
erb4321 calls [90].
Rybuk folds.
wildwhits is all-In [375]
>You have options at Table 35061 Table!.
xbonggoox raises [710].
erb4321 is all-In [655]

[imcastleman]

There's almost no value in making this call. With 2 people in already theres no point in you risking your chips here, the tournament hasn't even started yet, why risk losing it??

[pergesu]

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There's almost no value in making this call. With 2 people in already theres no point in you risking your chips here, the tournament hasn't even started yet, why risk losing it??

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It's way better to bust out 10th than it is to bust out 4th. You don't waste any time, and you're able to fire up a new one really quickly.

Survival is a great trait in MTTs, but it just isn't nearly as important in SNGs.

Here you've got a chance to triple up which will set you up nicely for level 5 (thanks to PVS for that concept). You can lay down if you think these players are making these moves with big pairs only. But with the crap you see at low-level SNGs (favorite hand today was T8o pushes UTG, gets called by AQ, AJ, and K9), I think it's good to call here. When you win, you've got a damn good shot at making the money. When you lose, you start up another one without wasting any time.

[lorinda]

Survival is a great trait in MTTs, but it just isn't nearly as important in SNGs.

You can't get dealt aces if you're already out.
Lorinda 3:17

Lori

[pergesu]

10th place pays the same as 4th
pergesu 4:20

[lorinda]

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Lori

[BradleyT]

If you make this play every SnG for the rest of your life your ITM is capped at ~33%.

Brad 5:18

[pergesu]

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If you make this play every SnG for the rest of your life your ITM is capped at ~33%.

Brad 5:18

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Fortunately you're not put in this position every SNG for the rest of your life.

I don't know how many times I've been all-in on the first hand of a tourney. But considering that in the first couple levels, I'm only all-in preflop with AA-QQ and AK, I can't imagine it's been a lot. Thus this particular situation wouldn't have that great of an effect on my ITM.

But this does bring up an interesting point. Are you more willing to do this 10 hands into a tourney than on the first one? 20 hands in? Certainly your chances of cashing increase with every player that busts, but that doesn't mean you should be folding your strong hands just because everyone's still in.

Consider that when the tourney starts, every player has 10% equity, a 10% chance of winning/33% chance of cashing (and that doesn't even account for skill difference). When one player busts, their equity gets spread amongst the players - theoretically everyone would receive 1.1% more equity, which is a 11% increase to their overall equity. But certainly that isn't evenly spread - the player who wins the pot has a larger increase simply because he has more chips. So instead of each player receiving 1.1% extra, everyone would get .5%, and the winning player would receive the extra 5.5%. That's a 55% increase in equity for that one player.

That just seems like far too much to give up at any point in the tourney,exception being on the bubble, where you're a lot more likely to make the money than you are at the very beginning.

Here, if I can bust two players, I can fold every hand until level 5, at which point I've surely developed a tight image and can steal pots at will.

[BradleyT]

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If you make this play every SnG for the rest of your life your ITM is capped at ~33%.

Brad 5:18

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Fortunately you're not put in this position every SNG for the rest of your life.

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How is making this decision once any different?

[Seadood228]

Lorinda wins..