2 really quick preflop situations...

blackaces13 · #1 05-07-2005, 12:01 AM

Both on absolute 1/2, the table was fairly tight and I have no reason to believe that anyone involved in either hand is overly aggressive in any way.

#1. Ep player raises, MP player cold calls, folded to me in the BB with 67s. What's the plan?

#2. UTG limps, EP player raises, folded to me in the CO-1 with AJs. Cold calling is universally despised, I really HATE folding AJs in late position and re-raising is probably just silly. So what do I do?

I know preflop is considered to not even be worth thinking about for small stakes players who are already decent preflop but in semi-tight games like the ones I've found at Absolute I think its important enough to discuss.

Dead · #2 05-07-2005, 12:04 AM

#1 is an easy fold against a typical opponent.

#2 depends on the guy who raised from EP. If he's LAG then I would 3bet the AJs. Otherwise I coldcall or fold.

irishpint · #3 05-07-2005, 12:16 AM

1. fold
2. call or raise, villian dependant

blackaces13 · #4 05-07-2005, 12:20 AM

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#1 is an easy fold against a typical opponent.

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Why is it so easy to fold a hand as live as 67s getting over 5:1?

I don't mean this as a smart ass, I'd honestly like it explained.

Dead · #5 05-07-2005, 12:30 AM

You're not getting over 5:1 by my count. You're getting exactly 5:1. And 76s is not the kind of hand that you want to play against two opponents. You'd like to play it against 3 or more and see the flop cheaply if at all possible.

5:1 is not enough to call with 76s here imo. Add another coldcaller and I'd do it.

blackaces13 · #6 05-07-2005, 12:35 AM

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You're not getting over 5:1 by my count. You're getting exactly 5:1.

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Not to nitpick but the SBs 50 cents gives me 5.5:1 on the call.

Dead · #7 05-07-2005, 12:53 AM

Ah yes, I forgot that SB folded. Ok so you're getting 5.5:1.

I still don't think this is enough. Tell me why you think it is if you wish.

SlantNGo · #8 05-07-2005, 01:06 AM

5.5 to 1 with a hand that has excellent implied odds, and we have great relative position on the pre-flop aggressor. Easy call in my opinion.

EDIT: Forgot to mention the second hand. I fold for the same reason that I call in the first hand. We have poor relative position on the flop. I don't think we want to act right after the PFR on any type of flop besides a Jxx. If we flop a strong draw, we want to trap for more bets and possibly a free card. If we flop top pair w/ the Ace, we are probably in a WA-WB situation, and I'd rather see 3rd guy's action before I decide how to proceed. I don't want to knock him out unless I have a good reason to believe I'm more like to be WA than WB.

So basically, I'm looking at relative position as the key factor in both cases.

pokerstudAA · #9 05-07-2005, 01:07 AM

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#1. Ep player raises, MP player cold calls, folded to me in the BB with 67s. What's the plan?

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I think you can call here and get out of the way of any unfavorable flop. Could be a profitable situation.
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#2. UTG limps, EP player raises, folded to me in the CO-1 with AJs. Cold calling is universally despised, I really HATE folding AJs in late position and re-raising is probably just silly. So what do I do?

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Fold. Put a cold caller in between and I will call along. I dont think I am cold calling 1st in.

FishHooks · #10 05-07-2005, 01:41 AM

The first situation is player dependant, if you dont feel comfortable with your post flop skills then easy fold, I think you can call this profitably if you have pretty good post flop skills. If you add up your chances of flushes, straights, 2 pair and trips, its about 10% so I think you can all this and see what the flop brings, it an easy hand to get rid of.