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6 5 6.41%
7 8 10.26%
8 18 23.08%
9 21 26.92%
10 15 19.23%
11 7 8.97%
12 4 5.13%
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Old 05-02-2005, 03:54 PM
Bigwig Bigwig is offline
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Default Do you make this call?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t300 (4 handed) converter

UTG (t2145)
Button (t1395)
SB (t5060)
Hero (t1400)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to t1395 (All-In)</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero calls t1095.

Flop: (t2940) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

Turn: (t2940) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

River: (t2940) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

Final Pot: t2940
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Old 05-02-2005, 03:58 PM
Sam T. Sam T. is offline
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Default Re: Do you make this call?

Unless you can put the villain on a two (or better yet two of 'em), I'm folding here. Yes, I'm desperate, but with the big stack to my right, I've still got folding equity if I lay this down.

If the big stack is being a bully (as he should), I may call here, just because he may not give me the chance to open push.

Tough one.

Sam
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Old 05-02-2005, 04:54 PM
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Default Re: Do you make this call?

You are getting desperate, but since someone has already gone allin on you. You either have to know they don't have a pair or fold.
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Old 05-02-2005, 05:06 PM
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Default Re: Do you make this call?

You are out of the blinds after this hand, and I believe with low PP on the bubble, either you are the first to push or you have to fold. Calling an all in where best case scenerio you are racing....I'd wait for a better spot.
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Old 05-02-2005, 05:12 PM
Bigwig Bigwig is offline
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Default Re: Do you make this call?

I'm not necessarily surprised to see the folds outnumbering the calls. But nobody who has replied yet has mentioned the pot odds I'm getting. I'm certainly a favorite over the pusher's hand range. The question isn't chipEV, it's dollar EV. What equity odds do you need to call this push? I figured I was getting barely enough.
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Old 05-02-2005, 05:19 PM
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Default Re: Do you make this call?

I figured this might be a call, and even voted such. But after some calculations I come to the conclusion that it would be a -ev call (since you need 66.7% to make it +ev). Now the question is: Might this still be the best alternative? I mean, you might not get the opportunity to steal, and even if you do, it is quite possible you will get called with a lot.

In conclusion, I say yes, I would call.

EDIT: Very interesting post to think about... I like it, I like it a lot.
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Old 05-02-2005, 05:20 PM
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Default Re: Do you make this call?


It's close. I ran it on eastbays program and the answer basically depends on the buttons pushing range here. Most of the time the numbers favor a call, but some players dont push with hands like K4o there on the button. If the button is a known good sit and go player, it's probably a clear call. I think it's close enough so that it'd depend on how I felt about the way everyone was playing, but I could be wrong.
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Old 05-02-2005, 05:26 PM
XChamp XChamp is offline
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Default Re: Do you make this call?

I voted no, since that is my default here.

However, it really depends on your opponent. If he does not steal blinds frequently it is a clear fold. If he has moved all in the past one or two times then I am calling.
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Old 05-02-2005, 05:28 PM
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Default Re: Do you make this call?

Depends on how often the big stacks will call me. The better the other players are (Button, since he will push with less and big stacks because they know I push with garbage at this stage) are the more likely I am to call.
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Old 05-02-2005, 05:31 PM
Misfire Misfire is offline
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Default Re: Do you make this call?

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If the button is a known good sit and go player, it's probably a clear call.

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Huh? [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]
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