I suck -- Help?

AliasMrJones · #1 04-30-2005, 03:38 AM

I've read the books. I feel I understand the fundamentals. I've done well at SnG's. I can see others making lots of mistakes. But, I can't seem to get any traction at SS limit. I'm >0, but not by much. Though almost 35,000 hands of 2/4 and 3/6: .65 BB/100 hands, VPIP 16.33%, won$wsf 28.46%, went2sd 27.4%, won$sd 55.93%, PF raise 7.25%, post-flop aggression 2.63. Below are some hands from tonights session and any comments are greatly appreciated.

Hand #1

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Preflop: AliasMrJones is UTG+1 with 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
1 fold, AliasMrJones calls, 5 folds, SB raises, 1 fold, AliasMrJones calls.

Flop: (5 SB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets, AliasMrJones raises, SB calls.

Turn: (4.50 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, AliasMrJones bets, SB calls.

River: (6.50 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, AliasMrJones bets, SB raises, AliasMrJones 3-bets, SB caps, AliasMrJones calls.

Final Pot: 14.50 BB

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Hand #2

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Preflop: AliasMrJones is UTG+2 with T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. MP2 posts a blind of $2.
2 folds, AliasMrJones raises, MP2 (poster) calls, MP3 calls, CO calls, 1 fold, SB calls, BB calls.

Flop: (12 SB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (7 players)
SB checks, BB checks, AliasMrJones checks, MP2 checks, MP3 checks, CO bets, SB calls, BB calls, AliasMrJones calls, MP2 calls, MP3 folds.

Turn: (8.50 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (6 players)
SB checks, BB checks, AliasMrJones checks, MP2 checks, CO bets, SB calls, BB calls, AliasMrJones calls, MP2 folds.

River: (12.50 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, AliasMrJones checks, CO bets, SB calls, BB raises, AliasMrJones calls, CO 3-bets, SB calls, BB caps, AliasMrJones calls, CO calls, SB calls.

Final Pot: 28.50 BB

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Hand #3

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Preflop: AliasMrJones is SB with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
1 fold, MP1 raises, 2 folds, Button calls, AliasMrJones 3-bets, 1 fold, MP1 caps, Button calls, AliasMrJones calls.

Flop: (13 SB) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
AliasMrJones checks, MP1 bets, Button calls, AliasMrJones raises, MP1 3-bets, Button folds, AliasMrJones calls.

Turn: (10 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
AliasMrJones checks, MP1 bets, AliasMrJones calls.

River: (12 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
AliasMrJones checks, MP1 bets, AliasMrJones calls.

Final Pot: 14 BB

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Hand#4

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Preflop: Hero is Button with T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
2 folds, MP1 calls, 2 folds, Hero raises, 1 fold, BB 3-bets, MP1 calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (9.33 SB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB bets, MP1 folds, Hero raises, BB calls.

Turn: (6.66 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks.

River: (6.66 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 8.66 BB

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Hand #5

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Preflop: AliasMrJones is BB with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
1 fold, SB raises, AliasMrJones calls.

Flop: (4 SB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB bets, AliasMrJones raises, SB 3-bets, AliasMrJones calls.

Turn: (5 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB bets, AliasMrJones calls.

River: (7 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB bets, AliasMrJones calls.

Final Pot: 9 BB

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Hand #6

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Preflop: AliasMrJones is BB with 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
5 folds, Button calls, SB completes, AliasMrJones checks.

Flop: (3 SB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, AliasMrJones bets, Button folds, SB raises, AliasMrJones calls.

Turn: (3.50 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets, AliasMrJones calls.

River: (5.50 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets, AliasMrJones calls.

Final Pot: 7.50 BB

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Hand #7

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Preflop: AliasMrJones is BB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. MP3 posts a blind of $3.
UTG calls, 2 folds, MP1 raises, 1 fold, MP3 (poster) calls, 1 fold, Button calls, 1 fold, AliasMrJones calls, UTG calls.

Flop: (10.33 SB) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (5 players)
AliasMrJones checks, UTG checks, MP1 bets, MP3 calls, Button calls, AliasMrJones calls, UTG calls.

Turn: (7.66 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (5 players)
AliasMrJones checks, UTG checks, MP1 checks, MP3 checks, Button checks.

River: (7.66 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (5 players)
AliasMrJones bets, UTG folds, MP1 raises, MP3 folds, Button folds, AliasMrJones calls.

Final Pot: 11.66 BB

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Hand #8

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Preflop: AliasMrJones is MP1 with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
1 fold, AliasMrJones calls, 1 fold, CO raises, 3 folds, AliasMrJones calls.

Flop: (5.33 SB) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
AliasMrJones checks, CO bets, AliasMrJones raises, CO 3-bets, AliasMrJones folds.

Final Pot: 5.16 BB

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Hand #9

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Preflop: Hero is MP1 with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
2 folds, Hero raises, 5 folds, BB calls.

Flop: (4.33 SB) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, BB calls.

Turn: (3.16 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, BB raises, Hero calls.

River: (7.16 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 9.16 BB

New001 · #2 04-30-2005, 03:43 AM

Post fewer hands at once and you'll get some good responses to them. Your WTSD% is far too low, it should probably be a good 5-7% higher, which probably means you're folding some winners before showdown. That also explains your slightly high W$SD.

ThePenguin · #3 04-30-2005, 03:52 AM

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Post fewer hands at once and you'll get some good responses to them. Your WTSD% is far too low, it should probably be a good 5-7% higher

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What he said. Also, I would advocate raising more pre-flop. Your Won $ WSF% is weak, maybe you should be more aggressive, both pre-flop and after the flop. 7% PFR sounds too low to me for a 16-17 VPIP. Also, I didn't read past your first hand because no one wants to do that. Find some more specific questions you can ask in specific hands. Also, keep hammering at it. 35,000 hands is not a very large sample size, you could just be running bad. Post some individual hands for discussion and we will help with those.

AliasMrJones · #4 04-30-2005, 03:59 AM

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Post fewer hands at once and you'll get some good responses to them. Your WTSD% is far too low, it should probably be a good 5-7% higher, which probably means you're folding some winners before showdown. That also explains your slightly high W$SD.

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I've been trying to see more showdowns...my numbers for April with 2,400 hands are went2sd 29.41%, won$sd 46.42, -4.32 BB/100 hands so slightly higher went2sd, lower won$sd, but unfortunately negative profit as well.

I thought 9 threads would be a lot to flood the board with so I put them all together. I don't think any of them are particularly discussion-worthy, just looking for where I'm going wrong. Any comments on any of them even if you just randomly choose one to comment on are appreciated.

AliasMrJones · #5 04-30-2005, 04:01 AM

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You didn't post your Won $ WSF%, but I imagine you could get it higher if you raised more pre-flop. 7% sounds too low to me for a 16-17 VPIP.

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Thanks for the comment. I did post my w$wsf above: 28.46%

ThePenguin · #6 04-30-2005, 04:03 AM

yeah, saw that and edited. My bad. Re-read please

AliasMrJones · #7 04-30-2005, 04:07 AM

OK, gonna split the hands out into separate threads...thanks!

New001 · #8 04-30-2005, 04:11 AM

I'll try to give suggestions on the hands you posted, but they won't be too detailed.

1. I check/fold the flop there.

2. Weird hand. I don't raise KTs this early, but if you do, the rest of the hand seems fine. The pot is giant on the flop.

3. Only other choice really is to cap the flop and lead the turn.

4. Bet the turn, fold to a check/raise, and take a free showdown.

6. Check/fold the flop.

7. Seems fine, you could maybe fold the river if you think MP1 is competent.

8. I don't check/raise here. Call down if you don't think he has an ace and he'll pay you off, but betting into him slows him down if you're ahead and loses more if you're behind.

9. Same thing I'd do.