Checking it through (or bet here?) - postflop question

Scuba Chuck · #1 04-22-2005, 10:14 PM

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t15 (10 handed) converter

Button (t575)
SB (t1515) Has KT 
Hero (t1000)
UTG (t980)
UTG+1 (t985)
UTG+2 (t945)
MP1 (t935)
MP2 (t960)
MP3 (t1130)
CO (t975)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
2 folds, UTG+2 calls t15, 5 folds, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: (t45) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB bets t125, Hero calls t125, UTG+2 folds.

Turn: (t295) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets t150, SB calls t150.

River: (t595) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: t595

 What do you think? Too weak tight? What I'd hate to see happen here is a check-raise. As I'd likely fold. Furthermore, all I have here is top pair with likely best kicker. Thoughts?

DasLeben · #2 04-22-2005, 10:18 PM

This is exactly the line I'd take. SB has said that he has a piece of the flop, and I don't like that jack on the board at all.

sng-sam · #3 04-22-2005, 10:19 PM

I check this everytime. The extra chips are not worth the risk.

SAM

Phil Van Sexton · #4 04-22-2005, 10:22 PM

I think the check was fine. He overbet the flop, then check/called on the turn.....very odd. When things make no sense, I tread cautiously and likely check.

If he had bet 45 on the flop, I definately value bet this river.

Scuba Chuck · #5 04-22-2005, 10:26 PM

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He overbet the flop

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I assume I'm not the only one who saw this overbet as a clear sign that villain has a K?

john_ · #6 04-22-2005, 10:29 PM

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I assume I'm not the only one who saw this overbet as a clear sign that villain has a K?

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You'd think anyway...I check here too.

lastchance · #7 04-22-2005, 11:19 PM

Stop trying to put $11's on hands. It's amazingly hard. You've got to put them on a very wide range. Right now, I'm thinking "this guy has a ok hand, probably not a great one." This means he has at least a pair, and less than trips (and probably didn't hit a jack on the river). That's the extent of my read.

Voltron87 · #8 04-22-2005, 11:22 PM

You can put in a crappy little 100 chip bet but I don't think it will be called here... I have no idea what this guy has but I know he isn't ahead of you... I doubt he has a calling or cr'ing hand so a check is fine. I probably bet small here though, no big deal.

Scuba Chuck · #9 04-22-2005, 11:24 PM

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Stop trying to put $11's on hands. It's amazingly hard. You've got to put them on a very wide range. Right now, I'm thinking "this guy has a ok hand, probably not a great one." This means he has at least a pair, and less than trips (and probably didn't hit a jack on the river). That's the extent of my read.

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Don't understand the $11 part.

But you're saying that if you were SB, and BB had been leading the betting, you wouldn't check-raise the river if you had hit your J for two pair?

Nottom · #10 04-22-2005, 11:46 PM

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Stop trying to put $11's on hands. It's amazingly hard. You've got to put them on a very wide range. Right now, I'm thinking "this guy has a ok hand, probably not a great one." This means he has at least a pair, and less than trips (and probably didn't hit a jack on the river). That's the extent of my read.

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Don't understand the $11 part.

But you're saying that if you were SB, and BB had been leading the betting, you wouldn't check-raise the river if you had hit your J for two pair?

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Maybe, hes just saying its unlikely he has KJ. I think a bet here of about 200 is fine. You could get called by a worse K or even something like A [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]J [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] and the only hand I am really worried about is KJ, and I think you can lay down to a checkraise from most opponents.