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\"I have KK\" Ethics/EV Question
In this hand there are 4 people left, top 3 get money. I have 2 questions here...
Total number of players : 4 Seat 3: Villian ( $1415 ) Seat 4: 2( $3175 ) Seat 6: Hero( $1500 ) Seat 9: 2 ( $1910 ) Trny:X Level:5 Blinds(100/200) ** Dealing down cards ** Dealt to Hero [ Ks Kh ] 1 folds. Villian raises [800]. 2 folds. Hero is all-In [1300] Here are my questions... 1. Is it unethical to say something like "I have KK" or "There is a distinct possibly I have KK" here to encourage him to fold? Would I be penalized online? 2. Is it +EV? He has been thinking for a while and I get the feeling he has the right odds to call with his Ax or underpair. How many chips behind does he need to have behind to make this +EV/-EV? What are your feelings? Thanks. |
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Re: \"I have KK\" Ethics/EV Question
Yes its unethical.
And it doesnt make sense. You really want to double up here. |
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Re: \"I have KK\" Ethics/EV Question
He is getting 2300 for 500. Unless he has total rags or Kx, all you are doing is giving him a perfect odds problem. There's no reason to want a fold here anyways, really. If you lose, you lose, thems the breaks.
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Re: \"I have KK\" Ethics/EV Question
Interesting question. I think it is probably unethical, and you definitely want him to call in this situation.
However, there are some situations where you would rather your opponent not call, even if you are a huge favorite. I wonder if in those situations you could say something like "I have a really big hand," and if that would be acceptable. |
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Re: \"I have KK\" Ethics/EV Question
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Yes its unethical. [/ QUOTE ] Oh, and let me explain why. Its obviously not unethical to him or you, as it would potentially help you both. But if this information somehow led to him or you placing ITM when you otherwise wouldnt have (like maybe him laying down q's as a result) then I think you can see why it is unethical. |
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Re: \"I have KK\" Ethics/EV Question
The only way to get an answer of correctness is to ask Partypoker if that's accetpable.
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Re: \"I have KK\" Ethics/EV Question
All hands with an ace have odds to call you.
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Re: \"I have KK\" Ethics/EV Question
I don't think it's ethical.
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Re: \"I have KK\" Ethics/EV Question
Wow. There is nothing "unethical" about saying you have KK. Do any of you actually know what ethics are? I think what OP wants to ask is, "Is this breaking the rules?" and you would have to ask Party about that.
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Re: \"I have KK\" Ethics/EV Question
I believe that this covers it.
[ QUOTE ] There should be no soft-playing during Tournaments. Soft playing is to not bet your hand to the fullest extent when playing against someone (usually friends and/or family). It goes against the spirit of the game and is considered cheating in some instances. [/ QUOTE ] I'm not as sure as some of the other posters that you want a call here, but I can't be bothered to do the math right now anyway. Lori |
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