KK 150xBB stack

vanHelsing · #1 04-17-2005, 03:03 AM

MP is super LAGgy and an idiot, CO is on the LAGgy side (PF 37/17) , but a as far as I can judge, he is a decent player.
COs reraise means a good hand, but mustn't be a monster. Could be to isolate MP.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ Hero (6 max, 6 handed) converter

saw flop|saw showdown

Hero ($157.35)
UTG ($99.5)
MP ($81.32)
CO ($280.84)
Button ($47.22)
SB ($152.75)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.5.
1 fold, MP raises to $5, CO raises to $15, 2 folds, Hero calls $14, MP calls $10.

Flop: ($45.50) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, MP checks, CO bets $30, Hero raises $142.35 (All-In)

Do you like it or not and why?

BobboFitos · #2 04-17-2005, 03:25 AM

I like it!

you catch any continuation bet from [Ak-At] [TT to whatever] etc - you said good hand, so whatever he'd isolate MP with that missed the flop or would fold to a bet that you'd lead out with.

If he'd call off his stack with AJ or QQ here, also, I really like it. Or, on the flipside, if he folds AA here (very doubtful) it's great, too.

I guess one qualm is you dont allow MP, the super idiot, to make a mistake, which leading at the flop would enable, but this seems fine to me

The_Bends · #3 04-17-2005, 03:37 AM

I like this too. You could quite easily sucker in a QQ who thinks you're making a move/wouldn't have called PF with a higher pair. You remove any draws. Since you don't think the CO RR means a monster you're not scared of AA. The only hand that beats you is JJ. Calling and allowing an A or club to fall would be a nightmare, if you have to take this pot down here then its plently large enought.

Scorpion · #4 04-17-2005, 03:38 AM

I think you need to raise preflop. Do you think you get called on the flop by QQ? Only other calls are JJ or AA.

MarkL444 · #5 04-17-2005, 03:57 AM

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I think you need to raise preflop. Do you think you get called on the flop by QQ? Only other calls are JJ or AA.

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word.

xorbie · #6 04-17-2005, 04:20 AM

I'm not convinced he's trying to get called here on the flop. Pot is already $75, which is pretty large for a one pair hand.

That said, I like re-raising PF as well, except then you still lose $ from the super idiot if he folds.

MarkL444 · #7 04-17-2005, 04:26 AM

i think an ideal plan here is to make it 40to go preflop and take it from there. getting this heads up would be a good thing.

BobboFitos · #8 04-17-2005, 04:27 AM

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i think an ideal plan here is to make it 40to go preflop and take it from there. getting this heads up would be a good thing.

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I still dont see how your line is better then hero's line

vanHelsing · #9 04-17-2005, 04:47 AM

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...Do you think you get called on the flop by QQ? Only other calls are JJ or AA.

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word.

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One reason I made this play, was that there was a FD on board.
This has a 2 way merit:
- Super LAG probably will call with a FD.
- CO could put me on a FD and call with a couple of hands I beat. This is NL100 and I see semibluffs/calls like this regularly.

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Definitely a play I considered, but was unsure.
With all the "dead money" going in from MP, I feared a repush by CO, which would have put me on a tough decision.
So I decided to pray for a save flop and go from there.
But still not sure about it...

MarkL444 · #10 04-17-2005, 04:47 AM

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i think an ideal plan here is to make it 40to go preflop and take it from there. getting this heads up would be a good thing.

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I still dont see how your line is better then hero's line

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seems like hero is committing so many chips the way he played it when he has almost no clue where he is. how is that raise ever getting called by a worse hand besides QQ?