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Old 04-14-2005, 10:14 PM
BillFranklin BillFranklin is offline
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Default People who prevent you from eliminating other players. How to deal?

5 people left on a SNG

-I have about 1900.
- Short stacked player (recipient of collasal bad beat the hand before) is at 275.
- Villian has 1500.

blinds are 100/200. I'm on the button. villain is in SB.

short stack goes all in for 275. I have 99 and figure to he's on tilt after the last hand. I raise to 500 to isolate. Villian calls.
- flop 10 8 5 Rainbow.
Villian pushes all in 1050. I fold.
short stacked player turns over A3o (about what i pegged him on) Villian turns over 73s. (that's right 73s!!!!!!)
the board paired 5's and the short stacked player won with his Ace kicker.

Whether it should have bothered me or not, this put me on tilt for the rest of the tournament i end up getting knocked out about 10 hands later. Do i have a right to be upset or this "just poker"
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Old 04-14-2005, 10:25 PM
Freudian Freudian is offline
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Default Re: People who prevent you from eliminating other players. How to deal

While it is custom to check down to knock out a player I don't see it as unethical to bluff here. Perhaps this guy thought he would maximize his chance of winning by raising here.

When I get raised out of a pot like this I usually type "hope you have it" before folding.

I often bet on the river if I think there is a good chance I have the best hand in one of these situation. But never as a pure bluff.
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Old 04-14-2005, 10:26 PM
gh9801 gh9801 is offline
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Default Re: People who prevent you from eliminating other players. How to deal

I hate those idiots too, nothing you can do about it.
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Old 04-14-2005, 10:33 PM
FishBurger FishBurger is offline
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Default Re: People who prevent you from eliminating other players. How to deal

I think I would have raised allin here preflop. There's 575 in the pot, so I would raise allin with the nines to pick that up.

If you just wanted to check it down, then you should have just called. By raising preflop you created a 500 side pot for the villian to bluff at.
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Old 04-14-2005, 10:39 PM
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Default Re: People who prevent you from eliminating other players. How to deal

Fishburger is right, IMO.
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Old 04-14-2005, 10:39 PM
BillFranklin BillFranklin is offline
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Default Re: People who prevent you from eliminating other players. How to deal

that was what i was thinking. that i should have pushed harder preflop. I guess i was just giving the "villian " more credit. I figured he would have realized what was going on and folded. When he went over the top i thought that maybe he limped in with JJ or QQ.
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Old 04-14-2005, 10:48 PM
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Default Re: People who prevent you from eliminating other players. How to deal?

Do i have a right to be upset

It was you that created the sidepot.

Lori
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Old 04-14-2005, 11:00 PM
HoldingFolding HoldingFolding is offline
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Default Re: People who prevent you from eliminating other players. How to deal?

You certainly played it the way I would have played it. I don't like going all in here and would have laid down to the maniac's raise. However, in this type of situation the important thing is to step back, take some deeps breaths and reflect on the situation. You're still a medium stack and you know (if you didn't before) that you're dealing with a maniac. Perhaps easier said than done, but the ability to rise to this type of challenge will certainly improve your ITM.
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Old 04-14-2005, 11:19 PM
ilya ilya is offline
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Default Re: People who prevent you from eliminating other players. How to deal

If he's so crazy, just call him on the flop! Few players push that flop if they have a pair of Tens or better. Also, this flop could very easily have missed the short stack.
You can't auto-fold a pair just because 1 non-scary overcard dropped on the flop...especially not if it's the nut underpair with a backdoor straight draw.
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Old 04-14-2005, 11:23 PM
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Default Re: People who prevent you from eliminating other players. How to deal?

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Do i have a right to be upset

It was you that created the sidepot.

Lori

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