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I take this line alot....Good?..Bad?...Terrible?
They all love to bet out here to test their Ace(at least this is what I always assume) Expecting me to 3-bet the flop so they can safely fold. Do you agree with my assumptions and the way I play the hand?
Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (9 handed) converter Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">6 folds</font>, BB calls. Flop: (4.33 SB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, Hero calls. Turn: (3.16 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, Hero calls. River: (5.16 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, BB calls. Final Pot: 9.16 BB |
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Re: I take this line alot....Good?..Bad?...Terrible?
daddy likey
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Re: I take this line alot....Good?..Bad?...Terrible?
Nice hand. I think I would've raised the turn in case he was betting his spade draw and he won't call the river raise if he misses.
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Re: I take this line alot....Good?..Bad?...Terrible?
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Nice hand. I think I would've raised the turn in case he was betting his spade draw and he won't call the river raise if he misses. [/ QUOTE ] Exactly. But with a read that he is always aggressive until met with resistance, this line is okay. |
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Re: I take this line alot....Good?..Bad?...Terrible?
this is discussed in HOFAP (hold em for advanced players)
it says to take this line because it also scares the player with 2 two pair or even a set into just calling because it would be scraed of a monster... and when they 3-bet you can easily fold |
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Re: I take this line alot....Good?..Bad?...Terrible?
Hmmm.
I'm assuming that you feel you're ahead on the flop, but remember that you've already tickled the pot once with your PF raise. BB bets into you anyways on a flop with an ace; I see a few possibilities, not all of which have you ahead of the game. I guess I'm a bit skittish of the spade draw and the sets, and I raise the turn partly to punish drawers with bad odds but mostly to gain information. A three-bet on the turn lets me call all the way down. Plus, many players who have little or nothing will just check/call the river, at which point you lose 1 BB. I find I get a bit more play out of a turn raise than a river raise. How do you respond to a reraise on the river? It's really hard to know what that means, and you'll probably have to pay off the A9 or 44 there. I guess I see your point, and your line works for me if you THINK your aces/queen kicker will hold up on the river. I just don't feel abundantly confident on this flop, and I probably want to throw my weight around a bit to try and drive him off or beat him up. Maybe I'm just off my rocker, though. Like I said, I think your play is fine; I'd just play it differently (raise the turn). |
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Re: I take this line alot....Good?..Bad?...Terrible?
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Nice hand. I think I would've raised the turn in case he was betting his spade draw and he won't call the river raise if he misses. [/ QUOTE ] If you raise the turn, he calls with his spade draw and checks to you on the river then folds if he misses. You get 2 BB out of this. If you don't raise the turn, he still bluffs out with a missed spade draw and folds to a river raise. You get 2 BB out of this. The difference is that a lot of weaker hands that would call a river raise, often won't call a river bet after a turn raise. To figure out which play is correct you'd have to know how likely this opponent is to fold to a river bet after a turn raise, how often he's on a flush draw here, as opposed to how often he's on a weak ace here. Without this information I lean towards waiting until the river to raise. |
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Re: I take this line alot....Good?..Bad?...Terrible?
Good points about the flush draw in this particular case. Honestly though I really don't consider it to much which may be a big mistake on my part. #1 What are the odds that a lone opponent calling out of the BB hits a flush draw. #2 They barely have odds to call a draw let alone the equity to pump it HU. Not that many players will even consider these facts which is ignorance on my part. Giving more credit than I should.
Really this is just a variation of the C/call, C/call, Bet line. With C/call you don't have position and here you do, but you achieve the same thing...I Think? Win the most when ahead and lose the least when behind. Folding to a 3-bet on the river is read dependant of course. FWIW I can't remember getting 3-bet in this situation (I must have at least once or twice) and I use this line alot. As an example Villian took this hand down with 97o and didn't three bet the river..go figure. Now you see one reason why I posted it. Even if he had the weak Ace I first assumed (as I usually do) am I being foolish allowing him to hit his three outter. I feel the pot is small that it isn't a disaster, but wanted your opinions. |
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Re: I take this line alot....Good?..Bad?...Terrible?
I dig it.... though a turn raise would also allow me to dig said hand.
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Re: I take this line alot....Good?..Bad?...Terrible?
I usually raise the turn in instances like these. I hate the feeling of giving up so many cheap cards that could beat me.
Discuss.... Adam |
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