Am I Fish?

Yodaman · #1 04-13-2005, 12:57 PM

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is SB with 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 raises, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, 1 fold, CO 3-bets, Button caps, Hero calls, 1 fold, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, CO calls.

Flop: (25 SB) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (6 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 checks, MP1 checks, MP2 checks, CO bets, Button raises, Hero calls, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, CO 3-bets, Button caps, Hero calls, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, MP2 folds, CO calls.

Turn: (23.50 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (5 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 checks, MP1 checks, CO bets, Button raises, Hero calls, MP1 folds, CO calls.

River: (29.50 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players)
Hero bets, CO folds, Button calls.

Final Pot: 31.50 BB

With the way this guy played I was 99% sure he had AA and not TT for top set.
I dont use poker tracker but this guy plays his top pair any kicker like its the nuts, so I figured I had the pot odds here to be calling this to river.

J.R. · #2 04-13-2005, 12:59 PM

yes

cold_cash · #3 04-13-2005, 12:59 PM

The pre-flop call is dubious, at best.

The rest is bad.

brettbrettr · #4 04-13-2005, 01:03 PM

deleted, misread post

TheHip41 · #5 04-13-2005, 01:04 PM

Fold preflop, fold the flop, fold the turn, c/r the river.

Other than that, wow, great hand [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

27offsooot · #6 04-13-2005, 01:05 PM

FWIW, CO apparantly played the hand much worse with his AK or whatever the hell he had. The pre-flop call looks ok, the flop call does not.

shant · #7 04-13-2005, 01:07 PM

Did the Button have 93s?

TheHip41 · #8 04-13-2005, 01:08 PM

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FWIW, CO apparantly played the hand much worse with his AK or whatever the hell he had. The pre-flop call looks ok, the flop call does not.

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Do you routinely cold-call 3.5 bets with a trash pair, out of position, vs. 3 pre flop raises? I can't think this is a good call.

27offsooot · #9 04-13-2005, 01:12 PM

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FWIW, CO apparantly played the hand much worse with his AK or whatever the hell he had. The pre-flop call looks ok, the flop call does not.

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Do you routinely cold-call 3.5 bets with a trash pair, out of position, vs. 3 pre flop raises? I can't think this is a good call.

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You're getting 6.14: 1 assuming the two ccers call for two more, which most of them will. It could be more if bb calls. If it was limp, limp, raise, raise, raise, then it's closer to fold b/c u can't expect the two limpers to call 3 cold. You'll make up the (7.5-6.14) * 4sbs post-flop fairly easily if u connect. You do have to consider set-over-set, which may make it closer, but i don't think it's a bad call. The flop call when u don't close the action and are getting like 28:2 however is pretty bad.

TheHip41 · #10 04-13-2005, 01:13 PM

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Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is SB with 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 raises, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, 1 fold, CO 3-bets, Button caps, Hero calls, 1 fold, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, CO calls.

Flop: (25 SB) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (6 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 checks, MP1 checks, MP2 checks, CO bets, Button raises, Hero calls,

so I figured I had the pot odds here to be calling this to river.

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Ok, say you get past preflop.

On the flop, there are 24SB. It's bet, and raised right before you. Now there are 27SB, you have to call 2, that's 13.5/1.

You will hit a 7 22/1 times. Wtf are you talking about, pot odds. You don't have odds to even peel one off on the flop. This isn't even considering the fact it might get re rasied and capped again. You could be getting something like 11-1 overall, and, to top it off, you might be drawing dead already. Fold the flop.