Level 2 KK

deathpotato · #1 04-11-2005, 05:25 AM

UTG+1 is very tight early, SB is quite loose. UTG+1 very aggressive postflop, SB is fairly passive.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (10 handed) converter

SB (t555)
BB (t1740)
UTG (t610)
UTG+1 (t1660)
UTG+2 (t835)
MP1 (t585)
MP2 (t850)
Hero (t985)
CO (t1255)
Button (t925)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 calls t30, 3 folds, Hero raises to t100, 2 folds, SB calls t85, 1 fold, UTG+1 calls t70.

Flop: (t330) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
Converter seems messed up.
UTG+1 checks, I bet 200, SB calls, UTG+1 Checkraises all in...

I _______

I'm afraid it's plays like this and not variance that have been causing a recent massive downturn in my results.

I probably should have raised more pf, I think this may be a silly psychological error due to feeling like everyone is folding to my early raises recently.

On the flop, it looks like clear sailing, at least at first. SB's call could be a flush draw, slowplayed Q, bare Ace (unlikely), or underpair. When UTG+1 checkraises all-in, I'm not certain at all as to what he has. He could easily make this play with a flush draw, a queen, 33, or aces (I don't think he'd slowplay them like this, though). There is some chance that he has a lower pair, but I find it unlikely that he would risk his stack in a situation like this when he could very well be drawing to two outs.

At any rate, what's my play here, and is it easy? I didn't think for too long about it.

BDarch · #2 04-11-2005, 05:28 AM

well considering UTG+1 is tight his early position limp and then call of your rasie could easily be AQ or possibly, what other hands do you think he would make a move like this with?

deathpotato · #3 04-11-2005, 05:32 AM

This is a good point, someone I forgot to think about the preflop action in putting him on a hand. It pretty much rules out a flush draw, apart from maybe AJs or AKs if he was feeling frisky. Middle pairs I can see limp/calling here.

BDarch · #4 04-11-2005, 05:35 AM

yea but do you think he would check raise with a middle pair after a bet and a call on that board?

deathpotato · #5 04-11-2005, 05:40 AM

Yeah, combining the pf and flop action certainly narrows his range down a ton. Possible hands here I'd say are now AQ, AKd, an unlikely AJd, and 33. You would agree, then, that it's a fold given this range?

BDarch · #6 04-11-2005, 05:41 AM

personally i would in this situation but i may be wrong and would like to see the opinion of some of the more experienced players

flyingmoose · #7 04-11-2005, 05:56 AM

I'd drop them like they're hot.

Freudian · #8 04-11-2005, 05:59 AM

You fold. Not only has UTG+1 shown he liked this flop, SB did the same. Ending up in a possible threeway all-in situation with a paired board will be a losing play in the long run.

However, I have seen crazy things on level 2. But I would let this one go. Headsup vs UTG+1 I could perhaps talk myself into beliving he was trying to semi-bluff but against two?