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04-11-2005, 03:39 AM
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Wow what a sick overbet..... now I\'m confused with bottom two.
$25nl 6-max, no reads, cause villian just sat down, we've both got $25
Villian limps in MP, I limp in the CO with 98s, SB calls, BB checks. Flop is T 9 8 rainbow SB checks, BB checks, Villian bets $5?!?! 
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#2
04-11-2005, 04:21 AM
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Re: Wow what a sick overbet..... now I\'m confused with bottom two.
Call a raise a non-scary turn. You are roughly even money against JT, which is his most likely holding, and he will probably bet it again on the turn regardless of what falls.
Or he could just have the lone J. Or a weak ten. But I still prefer raising the turn.
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#3
04-11-2005, 04:53 AM
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Re: Wow what a sick overbet..... now I\'m confused with bottom two.
3 to a high end straight is always trouble to 2 pair.
I'd fold and pick a better spot to get my money in, and I don't care if it's considered weak/tight, it's NL and I am trapping, not being trapped. Even if they have just xT, they have r/r pair, 3 x, and 2 tens, to break you, you have 4 outer redraw/buttsaver only and NOTHING else other then a rare SPLIT. >TW<
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#5
04-11-2005, 08:17 AM
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Re: Wow what a sick overbet..... now I\'m confused with bottom two.
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[ QUOTE ] I'd fold [/ QUOTE ] Dont go broke in an unraised pot. - Doyle Brunson [/ QUOTE ] There's no rule against doubling up in an unraised pot. This is a call.
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#6
04-11-2005, 05:33 AM
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Re: Wow what a sick overbet..... now I\'m confused with bottom two.
dont lose a buyin over a 25 cent limp, its just not worth it, a set could bet like this, JT could bet like this, QJ could bet like this, you arent looking too hot against any of them
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#7
04-11-2005, 10:58 AM
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Re: Wow what a sick overbet..... now I\'m confused with bottom two.
God, some of the folds you people have been posting recently are just appalling. It doesn't help to say what hands Villain "could" have here. Sure, he could have QJ. Sure, he could get pocket aces every hand. Sure, he could flop the nuts every hand. You will lose a lot of money in NL thinking like this.
The fact that it's an unraised pot is really somewhat irrelevant, as Villain has you beat here nearly 0% of the time. Like another poster said, there's no rule against doubling up in an unraised pot. Given the action, what could you put Villain on? Why would a set/straight bet like this? Does he want to push you out? A fold here would be outrageous.
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#8
04-11-2005, 01:11 PM
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Re: Wow what a sick overbet..... now I\'m confused with bottom two.
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Villain has you beat here nearly 0% of the time. Why would a set/straight bet like this? Does he want to push you out? A fold here would be outrageous. [/ QUOTE ] Thoughtful input is good. Ridiculous comments are bad. Villain has you beat slightly more than 0% of the time. I would guess around 30% or so. He would bet like that with a straight/set to get people like you to go allin because he has a 0% chance of being ahead. He would also like to push out oesd's and inside draws with a set or sucker straight. Folding is not outrageous at all. I don't know if it's the right play, but it's close. Problem being he probably has a handful of outs when you're ahead and you probably have very few when you're behind. If you call it's very tough to play the hand on a non-scary card because you'll probably have to go to the felt if you're that confident in your hand. As well he could bluff a scare card or just continue betting the hand that was beating you the whole time. If you push he likely folds what you're ahead of and call with what you're well behind. The more I talk it through I fold, but it's fairly close.
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#9
04-12-2005, 12:54 AM
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Re: Wow what a sick overbet..... now I\'m confused with bottom two.
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God, some of the folds you people have been posting recently are just appalling. It doesn't help to say what hands Villain "could" have here. Sure, he could have QJ. Sure, he could get pocket aces every hand. Sure, he could flop the nuts every hand. You will lose a lot of money in NL thinking like this. The fact that it's an unraised pot is really somewhat irrelevant, as Villain has you beat here nearly 0% of the time. Like another poster said, there's no rule against doubling up in an unraised pot. Given the action, what could you put Villain on? Why would a set/straight bet like this? Does he want to push you out? A fold here would be outrageous. [/ QUOTE ] nice post fox i thought i made a semi successful campaign to purge that line (DB's famous saying about those limped pots) from this board... i guess i give myself too much credit
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#10
04-12-2005, 12:57 AM
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Re: Wow what a sick overbet..... now I\'m confused with bottom two.
Wow, Im one of the guys leery of alot of the folds people make here...and Im also the guy who rails against weaktightness ad naseum...
That being said I dont like bottom 2 on this board at all. Even if you are ahead you arent far ahead and you could EASILY be drawing to 4 outs or even worse.
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