Queens against paired flop

theblitz · #1 04-10-2005, 01:13 PM

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SB ($18.25)
BB ($17.75)
UTG ($24.55)
MP ($22.75)
Hero ($27.6)
Button ($30.65)

Preflop: Hero is CO with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.1.
UTG calls $0.25, 1 fold, Hero raises to $1.5, 1 fold, SB (poster) calls $1.40, BB calls $1.25, UTG calls $1.25.

Flop: ($6) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, BB bets $2, UTG calls $2, Hero ?

BB is Tight/Passive/Aggressive
UTG is Loose/Aggressive/Aggressive

I put at least one of the two on a Ten.
So, pot odds I am obviously not getting.
However, should I call because of implied odds? I am probably going to end up all-in if I hit, so my odds would be much better.

Sakuraba · #2 04-10-2005, 01:46 PM

You are around 23-1 to hit a Q on your next card. So you are going to have to win about 46 to make your 2 dollar call correct.

The pot is currently 10 and your opponentes have about 15 and 21 left. You would have to be sure you could get them both all in to make this call correct based on implied odds. You can't rely on getting them both all in.

There is some chance you are ahead here right now. I think the chance that you are ahead plus the chance of seeing a showdown is what could give you the extra equity to call here.

BB could have anything. UTGs call is scary. What would he limp and call a 5X BB raise with preflop? A low pocket pair seems likely. I suppose something like JTs is possible, but seems a little unlikely. If he knows BB is aggressive, he might call the flop with a hand like 99, 88, 77, 66, 55, etc.

My default play would be to fold here, but I am not that sure you are actually behind. It might be worth calling the flop and making a tough decision based on the turn action though.

theblitz · #3 04-10-2005, 02:11 PM

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It might be worth calling the flop and making a tough decision based on the turn action though.

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The decision on the turn would have been the easiest I ever had to make:

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SB ($18.25)
BB ($17.75)
UTG ($24.55)
MP ($22.75)
Hero ($27.6)
Button ($30.65)

Preflop: Hero is CO with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.1.
UTG calls $0.25, 1 fold, Hero raises to $1.5, 1 fold, SB (poster) calls $1.40, BB calls $1.25, UTG calls $1.25.

Flop: ($6) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, BB bets $2, UTG calls $2, Hero folds, SB calls $2.

Turn: ($12) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, BB bets $3, UTG calls $3, SB calls $3.

River: ($21) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG bets $4, SB calls $4, BB folds.

Final Pot: $29

Results in white below: 
SB has 5d 5c (two pair, tens and fives).
UTG has Td 9s (three of a kind, tens).
Outcome: UTG wins $29. 

At least my read was right.

Sakuraba · #4 04-10-2005, 02:32 PM

"BB is Tight/Passive/Aggressive
UTG is Loose/Aggressive/Aggressive"

After reading the results, I realize that I flip floped these reads. I though BB was loose aggressive and UTG was tight.