I hate Jacks #3

Scuba Chuck · #1 04-04-2005, 11:53 PM

I'm considering lumping Jacks in with baby pairs...

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t50 (7 handed) converter

MP1 (t2100)
MP2 (t715)
CO (t1525)
Button (t625)
SB (t1440)
BB (t665)
Hero (t930)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
Hero raises to t125, 2 folds, CO raises to t200, 3 folds, Hero raises to t300, CO calls t100.

Flop: (t675) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets t150, Hero folds.

Final Pot: t825

 Comments on all streets welcome

apd138 · #2 04-04-2005, 11:57 PM

what do you do preflop if he moves in after you raise to 300? Whatever the answer is I think you need to make the decision preflop here on whether to push or fold and do that after he raises. The tough flop decision seems to be the result of your preflop action.

I just re read it and it seems confusing but what I meant was when he raises to 200 I think you need to either push, fold, or possibly call and push/check raise all in a 10 high or lower flop, I don't like the mini re raise.

adanthar · #3 04-04-2005, 11:59 PM

You had JJ 3 times in these 3 hands you posted. The first time, you minraised, then overbet with a K showing. The second, you limped and then had to fold to the blind's obvious monster. The third time, you 2.5x raised, then decided to minimum 4 bet a reraise.

There's a common theme in all of these and it shouldn't be 'lumping JJ in with baby pairs'.

Freudian · #4 04-05-2005, 12:00 AM

What's the purpose of the 100 reraise preflop? (in fact, whats up with his raise preflop) He isn't going to fold.

Either call or push after he made the small raise preflop.

Hard to give advice on what to do on the flop without a read on the player.

adanthar · #5 04-05-2005, 12:05 AM

FWIW, here is the way I would play all 3:

Hand 1: Standard [50-75] raise PF, 2/3 pot the flop, fold to a raise

Hand 2: Standard [90-125] raise PF, 2/3 pot (bet/raise) the flop, fold to a raise

Hand 3: Standard [150] raise PF, call the reraise, check/fold when you miss the set

Scuba Chuck · #6 04-05-2005, 12:07 AM

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Hand 3: Standard [150] raise PF, call the reraise, check/fold when you miss the set

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Even if no overcards on the flop? What if villain checks as well? And turn is another blank? Are you still done with this hand?

adanthar · #7 04-05-2005, 12:29 AM

I'm done 90% of the time unless the bet is so small I can put him on scared overs.

JJ is a good hand until you run into a better one.

captainzodiac · #8 04-05-2005, 12:45 AM

twice lately i've been in the big blind with ak,and pushed to a guy that made a small raise,just for him to call with jj,and take me out,so i wish they would lump them with the small pairs also and fold,lol!

curtains · #9 04-05-2005, 03:11 AM

Please explain why you made the extra 100 chip small reraise. That is almost surely an error. If you plan to fold to a reraise, it's a flat out terrible reraise.

SNOWBALL138 · #10 04-05-2005, 04:09 AM

When you get re-raised you should just call, and then look for the A or K on the flop. Then you make your decision.