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Old 04-01-2005, 11:38 PM
SNOWBALL138 SNOWBALL138 is offline
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Default Is this a bad semibluff?

***** Hand History for Game 1830295906 *****
NL Hold'em $10 Buy-in + $1 Entry Fee Trny:10924679 Level:1 Blinds(10/15) - Friday, April 01, 22:36:37 EDT 2005
Table Table 11535 (Real Money)
Seat 10 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 9: sykotik489 ( $950 )
Seat 5: KidCirhosis ( $800 )
Seat 8: DocPoker ( $900 )
Seat 6: badgrandpa1 ( $800 )
Seat 10: RedBloch ( $775 )
Seat 7: Sugar7878 ( $725 )
Seat 1: rbwilso1 ( $785 )
Seat 4: kockring1 ( $785 )
Seat 2: eyetwenty ( $800 )
Seat 3: WEAVER29 ( $680 )
Trny:10924679 Level:1
Blinds(10/15)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to RedBloch [ Ac Kc ]
>You have options at Table 35318 Table!.
WEAVER29 folds.
kockring1 folds.
>You have options at Table 35318 Table!.
KidCirhosis folds.
badgrandpa1 folds.
Sugar7878 folds.
DocPoker calls [15].
sykotik489 folds.
RedBloch raises [70].
rbwilso1 calls [60].
eyetwenty folds.
DocPoker calls [55].
** Dealing Flop ** [ 4s, 9c, 7c ]
rbwilso1 checks.
DocPoker checks.
RedBloch is all-In [705]
rbwilso1 folds.
DocPoker folds.
RedBloch does not show cards.
RedBloch wins 930 chips
>You have options at Table 35318 Table!.
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Old 04-01-2005, 11:51 PM
kyro kyro is offline
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Default Re: Is this a bad semibluff?

Meh, I don't think it's the worst thing you could have done. I probably would have fired off about a 100-150 bet, and then pushed the turn if I felt like it.
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Old 04-01-2005, 11:51 PM
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Default Re: Is this a bad semibluff?

no, you bet way too much for that pot.
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Old 04-02-2005, 12:08 AM
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Default Re: Is this a bad semibluff?

No, not at all. I think betting out 100 is pretty bad cuz it leaves you open to getting raised all-in, and at that point, calling is good.

If you have 100 to 200 chips more, I think I make the standard bet, but right now, getting all-in and not having to call all-in is good.
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Old 04-02-2005, 12:26 AM
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Default Re: Is this a bad semibluff?

No the problem is betting that much will only be called by someone who is ahead. He is betting $705 to win $225. If someone else has two pair or trips he is screwed and he didn't even get any close to the proper pot odds.

Hey if you want to risk your whole stack on a small pot be my guest. Players like you make protecting my made hand pay off.
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Old 04-02-2005, 12:32 AM
lastchance lastchance is offline
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Default Re: Is this a bad semibluff?

The guy's going to be behind anyway, especially when you're raised and have to call. If the guy has 2p or a set, you're both going to wind up all-in anyway. You want him to laydown top pair and middle pair here. That's why you push.
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Old 04-02-2005, 12:41 AM
SNOWBALL138 SNOWBALL138 is offline
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Default Re: Is this a bad semibluff?

I would have like to have raised all-in to a bet. Pushing here wins a medium small pot big risks my whole stack. I wouldn't really want to check this hand on the flop because that pits me at risk to a bluff/value bet on the turn. If I don't hit on the turn, then I'm more than a 2-1 dog to hit on the river, and so I'm no longer in a comfortable position to push.

Of course, I'm gonna hit on the turn about 1/3 of the time, so checking isn't the worst thing in the world.

I can't really figure out what I should do in these spots. If the pot was bigger, its a clear push, and if the pot was smaller, its a clear check. With a mediumish pot like this, I don't really know what to do.
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Old 04-02-2005, 12:44 AM
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Default Re: Is this a bad semibluff?

I agree. I would bet half the pot. Both will fold often enough to make that breakeven in the long run. And, if one of them pushes they can have it. However, there are many happy situations which come up much more often. You could get another ace/king/club drawing dead against you and win a much bigger pot. You could also have a pair calling you all the way and you hit your hand.
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Old 04-02-2005, 12:51 AM
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Default Re: Is this a bad semibluff?

How can you think a flush draw is worth enough to ignore pot odds? We're not talking about two monster hands butting heads. Against a set he has 35% chance to win with a flush after the flop, so that means the set has 65% chance to win. 35% is not a monster hand or a monster draw!

BTW if someone has a middle pair, you don't need to bet over 3 times the pot to get them to fold. Actually, if I had middle or top pair and someone goes all in ahead of me with a flush draw on the board, I would probably call. Funny because a pot sized bet would probably get me to fold. Ask yourself why would opponent not want to get paid of with a smaller bet? The all in move makes it more likely this is a semi bluff and I'm going to double up when you miss.
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Old 04-02-2005, 01:13 AM
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Default Re: Is this a bad semibluff?

This is a $10+1, and no one has any idea you know how to play poker at all.

The thing here is, I really don't want to get raised and not be able to see the turn and the river. At the same time, there's a big chance that I can take this sizable pot down right now.

There's t225 in the pot. Leading out is t100 chips, leaving you with t605. t325 in the pot at that point.

If someone raises all-in, you're going to be calling t605 into a pot of t1030 already.

I can't laydown two overs and the nut flush draw there. Can you?

Betting t100-t150 at the $10+1 here is the same as betting all-in, except moving in can get people to fold middle pair. The pot is a fourth of your stack. That's pretty sizable.
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