Risky play, anybody give their take on it?

aK13 · #1 04-01-2005, 04:38 PM

No reads on anybody, since I’m multi-tabling cryptos without PokerTracker.

Preflop: Hero has 8 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
1 fold, Villain calls, Hero calls, 5 folds, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: Q [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 6 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 2 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
SB checks, BB checks, Villain bets, Hero raises, SB folds, BB folds, Villain calls.

I figure I’m ahead or way behind here, so I try to narrow the field HU, and maybe pick up the pot without a showdown. I also thought it would give me a cheaper showdown in case I was behind.

Turn: Q [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
Villain checks, Hero checks.

Now I pick up a flush draw, I'll take a free card.

River: 4 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
Villain bets, Hero calls.

Damn, pretty sure I’m beat here, but the only card I’m losing to is a Q, so I guess I have to call.

Should I be trying this play every once in a while? I'm hoping the answer is yes, but I probably screwed up somewhere, so comments/suggestions/flames are welcome.

UncleSalty · #2 04-01-2005, 04:44 PM

Looks pretty good. I think I'd bet the turn and fold to a raise. You get some good information and it costs you the same as the way you played it.

tiltaholic · #3 04-01-2005, 04:52 PM

i think you gotta bet that turn and call a raise (flush draw).

personally, i've taken to raising preflop after one limper, but i don't know how profitable it will turn out...

GoHoosiers · #4 04-01-2005, 04:52 PM

I'd probably bet the turn. If he's got a Q, this is where he'd raise. I also think your flop raise with two [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]s may have bought you some some fold equity when the scary turn club falls.

Rich

slickterp · #5 04-01-2005, 04:52 PM

i don't think he has the Q, but he might have had the flush. i'd bet/fold the turn.

slickterp · #6 04-01-2005, 04:57 PM

i also don't like putting too much stock in the flush draw, he could easily be holding any of the 5 clubs that beat you.

joeski19 · #7 04-01-2005, 04:59 PM

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Looks pretty good. I think I'd bet the turn and fold to a raise. You get some good information and it costs you the same as the way you played it.

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aK13 · #8 04-01-2005, 05:11 PM

To be honest, it didn't really occur to me that I might be drawing (virtually) dead already to a bigger flush.

I like the idea of leading out on the turn, and folding to a raise, although if he smooth calls, do I bet on the river if he checks?

elindauer · #9 04-01-2005, 05:19 PM

Your flop logic is off. You're not "way ahead or way behind". You're slightly ahead or way behind. Not to mention that if you were in fact way ahead or way behind, calling would be a much better choice than raising.

Since you are only slightly ahead or way behind, and the pot is only 4SB, you should fold. If you are going to play, you should raise and limit the field, as you did, for the wrong reasons.

On the turn, well, tough call. The queen hitting makes it more likely you were ahead on the flop, but the club makes it less likely you are ahead now. I think you're better off betting and trying to take advantage of the passive nature of your typical microlimit player who may only call with a Q, fearing clubs. Also, it would be a disaster to give a free card to, say A6 / overcards / etc when a bet might win the pot.

If you get check-raised, well, go back and fold the flop.

Good luck.
Eric

scotty34 · #10 04-01-2005, 05:20 PM

Now that is where it gets a little tricky. If the flush card comes, I am pretty certain he will bet it (even though he doesn't know Clarkmeister's theorem). In this case I would probably call. If the flush card comes, and he checks, I think it's safe to bet this river. If no flush card comes I would check behind.