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Old 04-01-2005, 01:53 PM
droolie droolie is offline
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Default The art of the big laydown.

Button was a total freaking maniac but I knew the MP2 was so passive he would never raise unless he had the nuts. How many of you guys have the stones to lay this one down. A perfect read is literally friggin' owning (or leasing) suckouts!

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Preflop: Hero is MP3 with T [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
3 folds, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, <font color="red">Hero raises </font>, CO calls, Button calls, 2 folds, MP1 calls, MP2 calls.

Flop: (11.50 SB) T [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 2 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (5 players)
MP1 checks, MP2 checks, <font color="red">Hero bets </font>, CO calls, <font color="red">Button raises </font>, MP1 folds, MP2 calls, <font color="red">Hero 3-bets </font>, CO calls, Button calls, MP2 calls.

Turn: (11.75 BB) 8 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players)
MP2 checks, <font color="red">Hero bets </font>, CO calls, <font color="red">Button raises </font>, MP2 calls, <font color="red">Hero 3-bets </font>, CO calls, Button calls, MP2 calls.

River: (23.75 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
MP2 checks, <font color="red">Hero bets </font> , CO folds, <font color="red">Button raises </font>, <font color="red">MP2 re-raises </font>, Hero folds, button calls

Final Pot: 31.75 BB


Results in white below...

Don't look until you repond. Results shouldn't matter but they prove a point on this hand.

<font color="white"> MP2 had AA MHING. I lawdown g00t! When you are 100% sure you are beat lay it down!</font>
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Old 04-01-2005, 01:58 PM
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Default Re: The art of the big laydown.

I'm not good enough to lay that down. Nh dood. Nice read too..
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Old 04-01-2005, 02:01 PM
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Default Re: The art of the big laydown.

I don't think I can lay this down.
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Old 04-01-2005, 02:01 PM
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Default Re: The art of the big laydown.

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I'm not good enough to lay that down. Nh dood. Nice read too..

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Old 04-01-2005, 02:03 PM
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Default Re: The art of the big laydown.

No way I lay that down. And I'm as weak-tight as they get.
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Old 04-01-2005, 02:04 PM
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Default Re: The art of the big laydown.

No way you lay that down.
The fact that you're posting it means he obviously has AA, i dont even need to look at the part in white.

AA is the only hand anyone could possibly have to beat you, and you're getting what, 15:1 odds to call? On top of that, MP2 limped and then just called your raise preflop. He could very easily have AT, A2, A4, or A8. He also could have been slow playing another set and picked that time to wake up. You have to be right 93.3% of the time for this to be a correct laydown.

Sure it was correct in this instance and im glad you saved 2 bets, but this is not a laydown you should plan on making again. Imagine if he did have AT. Not only would you have tossed away a 32$ pot for a 2$ bet, but after seeing a loss like that I doubt you could think straight for the rest of your session.

Always call here.
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Old 04-01-2005, 02:06 PM
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Default Re: The art of the big laydown.

I have a mixed strategy here where I lay it down some percentage of the time. <font color="white">Approximately equal to my misclick frequency.</font>
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Old 04-01-2005, 02:13 PM
homebrewer homebrewer is offline
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Default Re: The art of the big laydown.

I know that I couldn't manage to lay that hand down.

A couple questions:
1. What did you think that MP2 was staying in the hand with?
2. Is MP2 capable of holding a set of 8s?
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Old 04-01-2005, 02:14 PM
Isura Isura is offline
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Default Re: The art of the big laydown.

Yeah, villian could have played 88 or a smaller set in this way if he's really bad. I don't fold here.
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Old 04-01-2005, 02:17 PM
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Default Re: The art of the big laydown.

You're getting better than 13-1 on call. Surely MP2 (even if he's really really passive) has something like A4 often enough to make calling +EV.
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