AKs with some weird circumstances

zCereal · #1 03-31-2005, 12:39 AM

my reads, mp1 is a fish , loose aggressive, a bb JUST sat down so no reads on him

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Preflop: Hero is Button with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
3 folds, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, 2 folds, Hero raises, 1 fold, BB calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls.

Flop: (8.50 SB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players)
BB checks, MP1 bets, MP2 folds, Hero raises, BB calls, MP1 calls.

i'm raisng here because i want a free card if i can get it, thought it was a good plan

Turn: (7.25 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, MP1 folds, Hero bets, BB raises, Hero calls.
i planned on taking the free card, but the fold made me bet here to try and steal, good line or no? and how about calling the raise? still a good idea or no?

River: (11.25 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB bets, Hero folds.

not gunna call down this one i know i'm beat.

Final Pot: 12.25 BB

any suggestions on how to play this? did i play it well or was there some other line i should of taken. this marginal situations seem to be costing me money

NAU_Player · #2 03-31-2005, 12:42 AM

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my reads, chanshelb is a fish, loose aggressive, gutshotdeuce JUST sat down so no reads on him

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we need their seat positions not their names [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

zCereal · #3 03-31-2005, 12:48 AM

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we need their seat positions not their names [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

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whoops sorry. added it

sin808 · #4 03-31-2005, 12:48 AM

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my reads, chanshelb is a fish, loose aggressive, gutshotdeuce JUST sat down so no reads on him

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uhhhh, ok?

I'm folding to the turn check-raise.

olavfo · #5 03-31-2005, 01:01 AM

If you assign 1.5 outs for each of your overcards and ignore the 5s completely (since it may complete a flush draw), you have about 5 outs. I think this is a conservative estimate.

5 outs gives you odds 8.4 : 1 for improving on the turn. After MP1's flop bet the pot is offering you 9.5 : 1. As I see it, you have a drawing hand. Why not just call on the flop?

olavfo

rabman · #6 03-31-2005, 01:06 AM

Here's my gut feel. I would call the SB on the flop and fold to a bet on the turn. I find that in micro limits it is very hard to get anyone to fold a pair. If I don't have a pair and no legitimate (sp?) draws then I'm gone. I can count on one hand the times I've won with ace high.

timprov · #7 03-31-2005, 01:10 AM

You did the free card play perfectly, until it came time to actually take the free card. A turn check-raise is a disaster here because you have too many outs to fold. This is a clear spot for the check-behind-with-outs play. If you could safely fold to a raise, it's not a bad spot to try to pick up the pot.

KingOtter · #8 03-31-2005, 01:22 AM

Yeah, I don't like that flop enough to raise it. It's nice that you have a gutshot stright and all, but it's the back-end of a straight and frequently it would be played to a chop.

I might not even bother calling the flop here, but I don't think it is a horrible thing to do.

KO

sin808 · #9 03-31-2005, 01:59 AM

Getting 9.5:1 on a flop call with 2 overcards and 3 safe 5's I'm definitely calling.

I don't like the raise though either.

olavfo · #10 03-31-2005, 02:09 AM

Oops....you have about 6 outs and odds 6.8 : 1. Even better.

olavfo