When to slow down with overcards OOP?

thesharpie · #1 03-30-2005, 06:57 AM

Paradise Poker 0.25/0.50 Hold'em (8 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
UTG calls, 1 fold, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, 3 folds, Hero raises, UTG calls, MP1 calls, MP2 folds.

Flop: (7.40 SB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets, UTG folds, MP1 calls.

Turn: (4.70 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, MP1 calls.

River: (6.70 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, MP1 raises, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 9.70 BB

I think flop bet is mandatory on this paired board.

Should I check fold the turn? Villain is likely to bet a flush draw that I'm ahead of here, though. If the board wasn't paired it's an easy check fold on the turn.

Once I do bet the turn and the 4th spade and 4 to a straight appear I figure I might as well try and get him to fold a seven or 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], probably a bad idea as other holding he's not going to fold are more likely. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

einbert · #2 03-30-2005, 07:13 AM

I would play it the same up to the river but I would check/fold the river.

ArturiusX · #3 03-30-2005, 07:30 AM

Check/fold the turn, easy check fold on the river.

rgb · #4 03-30-2005, 08:16 AM

Does Clark's Theorem of betting out HU OOP when the fourth card of a suit comes on the river not apply here in this instance?

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ArturiusX · #5 03-30-2005, 08:25 AM

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Does Clark's Theorem of betting out HU OOP when the fourth card of a suit comes on the river not apply here in this instance?

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I think it only applies when the only hand that can beat you is a flush.

I think any pair or set will call here, so you probably wont push a LPa off this hand.

einbert · #6 03-30-2005, 08:42 AM

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Does Clark's Theorem of betting out HU OOP when the fourth card of a suit comes on the river not apply here in this instance?

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I think it only applies when you have more showdown value than this. Given the action leading up to the river I believe your hand is virtually worthless. Villian can hardly have a worse hand so he can't call with a worse hand, and he has mostly made clear his intention to see a showdown (unless he was drawing, and if he was he pretty much got there) so trying to get him to fold a better hand has no value either.

DoctorDrew · #7 03-30-2005, 09:17 AM

You are on a weak draw here. I would c/f the turn and c/f the river in this small pot.