Mutiple Mistakes in Same Hand?

waynethetrain · #1 03-29-2005, 01:09 PM

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I generally don't like to lead out with overcards into 3 other players, but in hindsight maybe I should have considering I had a backdoor straight draw and the flop was kind of raggy.

I bet the river for value despite the straight possibility (not sure if that was correct).

I called the river raise because of pot size (not sure if that was right).

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Preflop: Hero is MP3 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
2 folds, UTG+2 calls, 2 folds, Hero raises, 1 fold, Button calls, SB calls, 1 fold, UTG+2 calls.

Flop: (9 SB) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, UTG+2 checks, Hero checks, Button checks.

Turn: (4.50 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, UTG+2 checks, Hero bets, Button calls, SB folds, UTG+2 folds.

River: (6.50 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, Button raises, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 10.50 BB

davelin · #2 03-29-2005, 01:13 PM

I bet the flop. That was the only thing that was evident to me. The river raise sucks but I think you got to pay this off.

Isura · #3 03-29-2005, 01:16 PM

I think a flop bet is pretty close. I would say your overs are still pretty good with 2 checks in front. Maybe 4-4.5 outs. Even so, I'm not sure if a bet will fold any hands that you want to fold here, and you don't have any redraws either. I think checking is better here.
Getting raised on the river sucks, but I think you have to fold to a raise here. I don't see many hands that you beat from a river raiser here (unless the guy was a known lag). The pot also isn't that big. A river raise here I'm pretty sure indicates atleast two pair.

Fishlips_Jones · #4 03-29-2005, 01:30 PM

Bet the flop. The river looks like a bet/fold re: Clarkmeister's Theorem, no?

Fishlips

Isura · #5 03-29-2005, 01:37 PM

Clark's theorem applies to flush draws, but the concept is the same: Villian will call more hands than he will bet with in this situation, so bet for value. It's a reasonable assumption that the hands he raises with are about the same as the hands he bets with, so the line is usuallly bet and fold to a raise.

waynethetrain · #6 03-29-2005, 01:38 PM

Yea, I was pretty sure I was beat, but I was getting close to the 10-1 odds that is suggested for making the call.

MrEngenic · #7 03-29-2005, 02:40 PM

I would almost always bet the flop in this situation. I would also bet the river in this situation and almost never fold to a raise.
I think it is better to check the river though except against calling stations. You avoid getting raised if he hits a draw and you can make him bet a missed draw as a bluff. But when multitabling, I would not have the time to think about that, I would have bet the river here.