Pot is huge...push this hard?

Bigdaddydvo · #1 03-27-2005, 08:39 PM

Had no idea if I had the best hand...but the Gospel According To Ed Miller says sometimes you need to go full speed with marginal hands when the pot warrants it:

Party Poker 1/2 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. CO posts a blind of $1.
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, 1 fold, MP1 raises, 1 fold, Hero 3-bets, CO (poster) calls, Button calls, 2 folds, UTG+1 calls, MP1 caps, Hero calls, CO calls, Button calls, UTG+1 calls.

Flop: (21.50 SB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (5 players)
UTG+1 checks, MP1 checks, Hero bets, CO calls, Button calls, UTG+1 raises, MP1 folds, Hero calls, CO 3-bets, Button folds, UTG+1 caps, Hero calls, CO calls.

Turn: (17.25 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
UTG+1 bets, Hero raises, CO 3-bets, UTG+1 folds, Hero calls.

River: (24.25 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 26.25 BB

davelin · #2 03-27-2005, 08:43 PM

Ugh...I'm not sure the best flop best. Definitely don't raise that turn for heaven's sakes!

Bigdaddydvo · #3 03-27-2005, 08:48 PM

The turn raise was to try to get the CO to fold. I certainly wasn't happy about the 3 bet, but it was positive that UTG+1 folded. The J high flush draw I picked up on the turn seemed like enough (albeit not much) to warrant the raise. I was hoping to get CO to fold and check down the river.

ArturiusX · #4 03-27-2005, 08:56 PM

Trying to get him to fold what? A Q or a twopair aren't going anywhere, unless he has a sole [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] he ain't folding.

aK13 · #5 03-27-2005, 09:00 PM

I'm going to go on a limb and say UTG+1 probably had AQo and CO had AdKd, and maybe MP1 had AKo?

On the flop, given all the action, I'd be pretty convinced I'm behind, and the turn makes the situation look even worse. I'd probably just go into check/call mode.

davelin · #6 03-27-2005, 09:10 PM

There's a good chance you're drawing. If you want a showdown...get there cheaply.

Bigdaddydvo · #7 03-27-2005, 09:13 PM

Also of note...CO was posted his BB. Hard to put him on premium holdings. Many Party players defend their early posts too strongly.

iluzion · #8 03-27-2005, 09:28 PM

oh wow thats a crazy hand. im torn between leading the flop like you did, or just check/folding. your in a 5 way capped preflop with second best pair. a capped preflop could mean AA KK QQ JJ AK AQ of which you are behind all except two, one your ahead, the other your just chopping. With this many people in the hand theres too good of chance your against any of those. And if one of them has anything suited in diamonds, they have a stroong draw to beat you.

Having lead the flop like you did, I'm making that call obviously but I think I'm throwing it away when it comes back to me capped, needing two small bets to continue. Thats alot of action to have any chance of being ahead with such a marginal hand, your drawing to a 3 outer (2 for trips 1 for the runner runner flush which isnt even the nuts in either hand). I don't think its worth pouring money into.

dblgutshot · #9 03-27-2005, 09:40 PM

Was it 44 or 77?

iluzion · #10 03-27-2005, 09:44 PM

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i wanna see these results too.