How's this fold?

blackaces13 · #1 03-27-2005, 06:47 AM

Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
3 folds, Hero raises, MP2 calls, 4 folds, BB 3-bets, Hero calls, MP2 calls.

Flop: (9.50 SB) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, MP2 calls, BB raises, Hero calls, MP2 calls.

Turn: (7.75 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB bets, Hero folds,

Yobz · #2 03-27-2005, 06:58 AM

reads are good. against typical players i take this line. BB 3-bets pf...hes gotta have something good (most players who raise from the BB have good hands usually). the c/r shows even more strength plus that bet out on the turn...i think its a good fold.

pointcount · #3 03-27-2005, 10:58 AM

Assuming villan ISNT a lag. I check-call or check behind this flop and if checked to on the turn I bet. Isn't this a situation of way ahead or way behind?

J.DP · #4 03-27-2005, 11:05 AM

I'd play it the same.

Flop bet is easy when checked to, BB is going to have TT-KK quite often here but he'll still probably call down with it.

Once he check/raises it becomes clear he has AA/AK and you can safely fold the turn unimproved.

J.DP · #5 03-27-2005, 11:08 AM

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Assuming villan ISNT a lag. I check-call or check behind this flop and if checked to on the turn I bet. Isn't this a situation of way ahead or way behind?

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Checking behind on this flop just misses bets in my opinion. The pot is fairly big and checking gives a free card to MP2 who we are not necessarily way ahead of.

Also BB is likely to call with inferior hands such as TT-KK.

KaiShin · #6 03-27-2005, 11:11 AM

If I were BB, I would play TT-KK this way.

I think you call it down unless you possess a read that says otherwise.

J.DP · #7 03-27-2005, 11:18 AM

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If I were BB, I would play TT-KK this way.

I think you call it down unless you possess a read that says otherwise.

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The Party 0.5/1 game is very passive. I find it unlikely BB would 3 bet preflop and the check/raise an Ace high flop with less than AJ.

I think calling down is wasting bets. How often would you estimate Hero is ahead after the flop check/raise?

KaiShin · #8 03-27-2005, 11:29 AM

Not knowing our villain, I'd say a little under 50%.

AA - 1 way
AK - 8 ways
AQ - 8 ways
KK - 6 ways
QQ - 6 ways
JJ - 3 ways

pointcount · #9 03-27-2005, 11:35 AM

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If I were BB, I would play TT-KK this way.

I think you call it down unless you possess a read that says otherwise.

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The Party 0.5/1 game is very passive. I find it unlikely BB would 3 bet preflop and the check/raise an Ace high flop with less than AJ.

I think calling down is wasting bets. How often would you estimate Hero is ahead after the flop check/raise?

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I disagree. You should see showdown for the reasons outlined above.

blackaces13 · #10 03-27-2005, 11:54 AM

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reads are good.

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Yes, they are. Unfortunately the only thing I can say about BB here is that I didn't have notes on him and since I recall him being at the table for some time before this hand came up that usually means that he wasn't entering a lot of pots or doing much raising.

I usually have notes on about 6 or 7 of the other 9 players at my table and its always the better/tighter players who it takes me the longest to get notes on since they showdown less and play less hands preflop. I always make sure I check the HH for any PFR so I would imagine this guy didn't raise too much preflop (or he was able to get away from bad flops after a PFR) but I'm not 100% sure of anything about him really.