2 misplayed(?) TT hands 50+5

TheUsher · #1 03-25-2005, 05:15 PM

These were both first hands of a 50+5 at PP during primetime hours so assume idiot factor = high. Anyone plays these differently?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t15 (10 handed) converter

saw flop|saw showdown

UTG (t1000)
Hero (t1000)
UTG+2 (t1000)
MP1 (t1000)
MP2 (t1000)
MP3 (t1000)
CO (t1000)
Button (t1000)
SB (t1000)
BB (t1000)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
1 fold, Hero calls t15, 4 folds, CO calls t15, Button calls t15, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (t75) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets t75, CO calls t75, Button calls t75, SB folds, BB folds.

Turn: (t300) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, CO bets t110, Button calls t110, Hero folds.

River: (t520) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
CO bets t100, Button raises to t300, CO calls t200.

Final Pot: t1120

Results in white below: 
CO has 6d Ks (two pair, eights and sixes).
Button has 4d 3h (one pair, eights).
Outcome: CO wins t1120. 

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t15 (10 handed) converter

saw flop|saw showdown

MP2 (t1000)
Hero (t1000)
CO (t1000)
Button (t1000)
SB (t1000)
BB (t1000)
UTG (t1000)
UTG+1 (t1000)
UTG+2 (t1000)
MP1 (t1000)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 raises to t30, 3 folds, Hero calls t30, CO calls t30, 1 fold, SB raises to t275, 1 fold, UTG+1 calls t245, Hero folds, CO folds.

Flop: (t625) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets t350, UTG+1 calls t350.

Turn: (t1325) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets t375 (All-In), UTG+1 calls t375 (All-In).

River: (t2075) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players, 2 all-in)

Final Pot: t2075

Results in white below: 
SB has Ad 6c (two pair, sixes and twos).
UTG+1 has Js Kd (one pair, twos).
Outcome: SB wins t2075.

Pokerscott · #2 03-25-2005, 05:21 PM

With the first one, I am mostly worried about the SB and BB. Once they fold on the flop bet, I probably raise the turn big (pretty confident that I am ahead at this point). Slow down on the river but likely call.

With the second one, I dump it the same way. A min raise followed by a huge re-raise has me very spooked and happy to get out of TT only down 30. You are being squeezed since the min-raiser could reraise all in. Definitely dump this one.

Pokerscott

The Student · #3 03-25-2005, 05:28 PM

Second hand looks fine to me - no need to risk such a big portion of your stack on the first hand with such a large PF re-raise. There are just too many overcards that could drop on the flop.

As for the first hand, I don't like your check on the turn. Yeah, the paired board isn't great, but you basically gave up on the hand. I'd bet this turn and then fold it if I'm raised or slow down on the river if I'm called. Did you really think that either of them had made their draws or that one of them was holding an 8? I'd want to bet that turn to test them.

ts-

BradShow95 · #4 03-25-2005, 06:10 PM

1st hand I'd probably start out with a raise to about 45-50. Judging by the hands that stayed in, you might have taken down this pot preflop. If they're still in, stay aggressive with it. By checking the turn you gave up control of the hand, and now you don't know where you stand.
2nd hand I might raise to 50-60 over the initial min-raise. If SB still bumps it to 275, I throw it away, too. No point in getting too involved w/ TT this early.

shejk · #5 03-25-2005, 06:22 PM

I like them both. I play TT for set value this early, and with an overpair like that, two callers on the flop and a scarecard on the turn, I don't think it's a bad line to check fold it.

The second one is a clear fold.

TheUsher · #6 03-25-2005, 07:57 PM

Party Poker is rigged!)@(&*# [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] Out of the last 15 or so tournaments I've gotten this same hand for the 1st hand 3 times now... Same suits and all.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t15 (10 handed) converter

MP2 (t1000)
Hero (t1000)
CO (t1000)
Button (t1000)
SB (t1000)
BB (t1000)
UTG (t1000)
UTG+1 (t1000)
UTG+2 (t1000)
MP1 (t1000)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 calls t15, 2 folds, MP2 calls t15, Hero calls t15, CO calls t15, 2 folds, BB checks.

Flop: (t82.50) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (5 players)
BB checks, UTG+1 checks, MP2 checks, Hero bets t85, CO folds, BB folds, UTG+1 folds, MP2 folds.

Final Pot: t167.50

Results in white below: 
No showdown. Hero wins t167.50.