i am the only loon that folds tptk here?

[raptor517]

***** Hand History for Game 1769828844 *****
NL Hold'em $100 Buy-in + $9 Entry Fee Trny:10584022 Level:1 Blinds(10/15) - Monday, March 21, 13:56:59 EDT 2005
Table Table 35041 (Real Money)
Seat 7 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 10: PblCb ( $1000 )
Seat 9: wtf_PWND ( $1000 )
Seat 8: ndfui ( $985 )
Seat 1: BuillGates ( $2025 )
Seat 6: tiltada ( $985 )
Seat 7: foxtrot59 ( $985 )
Seat 4: ShaunShrock ( $1020 )
Seat 3: ccc922 ( $1030 )
Seat 2: tttt123 ( $970 )
Trny:10584022 Level:1
Blinds(10/15)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to wtf_PWND [ Ac Kh ]
PblCb folds.
BuillGates folds.
tttt123 folds.
ccc922 folds.
ShaunShrock folds.
tiltada calls [15].
>You have options at Table 11709 Table!.
>You have options at Table 11950 Table!.
foxtrot59 calls [15].
ndfui calls [5].
wtf_PWND checks.
** Dealing Flop ** [ Kc, 7s, 5h ]
ndfui checks.
wtf_PWND checks.
tiltada checks.
foxtrot59 bets [90].
ndfui folds.
wtf_PWND raises [180].
>You have options at Table 11709 Table!.
tiltada calls [180].
>You have options at Table 12035 Table!.
foxtrot59 calls [90].
** Dealing Turn ** [ 3s ]
wtf_PWND checks.
tiltada bets [200].
>You have options at Table 11950 Table!.
foxtrot59 calls [200].
wtf_PWND ????

[Zameus]

They limped in late right? Maybe KQ or KJ suited (spades, picked up the flush draw on the turn)? Maybe Suited connectors with one paired and with a straight and a flush draw. This is a $100 buy in so they probably know what crap those hands really are and forgo raising pre-flop knowing they'll have to dump if they get played with.

Nobody is reraising but you and you checked on the turn showing weakness and encouraging a hand like KQ to make a play at the pot with their new flush draw giving them some extra oomph. Pot odds are good enough to call now with the suited connectors but they probably had 2 pair to have called that re-raise you put in on the flop. Doesn't sound like anyone made trips since no one is trying to protect from the flush draw. Same goes for the possibility of them having already made the straight.

Just my $0.02, feel free to shoot me down but easy on the attitude, I'm new here.

[MastiffPaul]

Making the plays you have, I don't know that I have the information I need to fold TPTK here. I'm confused as to why you haven't raised preflop, why you check-min-raised on the flop, and why you checked the turn. It looks like you ran into an opponent who had a plan to check raise, or raise the river, and so he turned into a calling station in response to your aggression on the flop. I think against two opponents who have shown strength, you can lay this down. You have probably signaled to them that you have two pair or better, and they don't seem to care. Seems like a fold. But I'm still confused about your decisions up until that point.

Also, I encourage you to use the converter.

[barry111]

You did not raise PF, So I dont think anyone has on you TPTK. The board does not look scary to me. I dont play the $100's, and I am weak-tight so I would let this go, and see what they show. After all this is level one and you will probably see 2 pair against TPGK or something like that. Anyway I just wanted to respond so I can say HOLLA

[wuwei]

Your line here makes no sense to me at all.

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edit: I suppose I should elaborate. If you aren't going to lead the turn and you're planning on folding to a bet after you check, then the flop c/r really sucks.

[Zameus]

Right, no raise preflop on your part, I just give you a King, maybe 2 random pair since you were in the blind, or worst case scenario maybe you caught a small set. Your check on the turn somewhat eliminates the set possibility and lessons the 2 pair possibility.

Are we going to get the results?

[ColdestCall]

Oh man, this just sucks. I would have felt a little ill when tiltada cold called the flop raise, and that feeling would increase when foxtrot smooth calls the turn bet. It really feels like you are beat here, unless Tiltada was encouraged to bet the turn as a semi bluff with a straight of flush, or both draw), or maybe he has decided his KQ or KJ is good, which is possible because your check after check raising the flop suggests you may have lost faith in your K-10 or something like that. But, if that is the case, why is foxtrot smooth calling this turn? Did he back into a flush draw with Ks-whatever? Flush draws without a K seem kind of unlikely, as he did bet out on the flop and call a check raise, and now he is calling 200 on the turn. It seems like there is some combination of the following out there - trips, weaker king, flush or straight draw (possibly with a pair on the flush draw), two pair. I'm leaning towards tiltada having trips and you being ahead of foxtrot. Either way, this is a tough fold. I would probably fold more often than I pushed, (I don't think you can just call the 200)....No, on second thought that is probably not true. I would probably push more often than I folded, but I would be exceptionally relieved every time the push won, and probably say something like "What do you think these guys were betting and calling you with, idiot?" to myself every time I lost....

[raptor517]

RESULTS

***** Hand History for Game 1769828844 *****
NL Hold'em $100 Buy-in + $9 Entry Fee Trny:10584022 Level:1 Blinds(10/15) - Monday, March 21, 13:56:59 EDT 2005
Table Table 35041 (Real Money)
Seat 7 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 10: PblCb ( $1000 )
Seat 9: wtf_PWND ( $1000 )
Seat 8: ndfui ( $985 )
Seat 1: BuillGates ( $2025 )
Seat 6: tiltada ( $985 )
Seat 7: foxtrot59 ( $985 )
Seat 4: ShaunShrock ( $1020 )
Seat 3: ccc922 ( $1030 )
Seat 2: tttt123 ( $970 )
Trny:10584022 Level:1
Blinds(10/15)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to wtf_PWND [ Ac Kh ]
PblCb folds.
BuillGates folds.
tttt123 folds.
ccc922 folds.
ShaunShrock folds.
tiltada calls [15].
>You have options at Table 11709 Table!.
>You have options at Table 11950 Table!.
foxtrot59 calls [15].
ndfui calls [5].
wtf_PWND checks.
** Dealing Flop ** [ Kc, 7s, 5h ]
ndfui checks.
wtf_PWND checks.
tiltada checks.
foxtrot59 bets [90].
ndfui folds.
wtf_PWND raises [180].
>You have options at Table 11709 Table!.
tiltada calls [180].
>You have options at Table 12035 Table!.
foxtrot59 calls [90].
** Dealing Turn ** [ 3s ]
wtf_PWND checks.
tiltada bets [200].
>You have options at Table 11950 Table!.
foxtrot59 calls [200].
wtf_PWND folds.
** Dealing River ** [ 2h ]
>You have options at Table 11950 Table!.
tiltada bets [300].
foxtrot59 calls [300].
>You have options at Table 11709 Table!.
tiltada shows [ 7h, 7d ] three of a kind, sevens.
foxtrot59 doesn't show [ Ks, Jh ] a pair of kings.
tiltada wins 1600 chips from the main pot with three of a kind, sevens.

so yea, i think i lost the MINIUM number of chips on this hand. so yea, maybe i have some idea what im doing, who knows.

[ColdestCall]

[ QUOTE ]
tiltada shows [ 7h, 7d ] three of a kind, sevens.
foxtrot59 doesn't show [ Ks, Jh ] a pair of kings.
tiltada wins 1600 chips from the main pot with three of a kind, sevens.


[/ QUOTE ]

Dammit, dammit, dammit! I knew what they had and I pushed anyway! What did I think they were betting and calling with??!!

I am an idiot.

Edit: oops, forgot haiku...

With many cold calls
Top pair, top kicker no good.
Don't blow your stack here.

[Zameus]

So with straight and flush possibilities on the board, titilda bets 200 into a 1000 pot on the turn? I guess the straight coming slowed him/her down but who would've stayed with just a draw and all that activity on the flop? Weird play in my opinion. Am I crazy or just too paranoid?