Internet Poker Vs "Real Poker"

[samscott17]

Does AA KK AKs even QQ(Internet hands) need to visit the Gym? Why are they not as strong as their real life counter parts, Has the transaction from reality to the net weakened them? A question that i am almost sure has been asked and answered a million times before, but bare with me i am quite new to all this. Remarkable beats(another word for bad beats) on the net happening at an incredible rate, especially at the beginning of a sit n go or a multi table tournament.. I won't bore you with the ones that have happened to me,as i'm sure that you have all experienced the same
When i say that i am new to internet poker this is very true, no point in lying(or should i say trying to bluff you all)
Many many years ago i was a poker dealer(YAWWWWWWWWWWWWWNNNN) in Casinos, and i have dealt my remarkable hands and watched as unbelieveable things happened. I understand that internet poker is 2 to 3 times faster than i ever was at dealing, and if you play 2,3 or more table you get to see a lot more Interesting things. But, and this is where it gets interesting, I understand that on-line Poker rooms have nothing to win/lose by adjusting the cards [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]. They have their rake no matter what the outcome, but just to keep the game a little more exciting and to keep those that are very very new to the game still interested and returning to the tagbles time after time. Why not? let them call all-in with A rag(yes all three of them and take down the cowboysKK) one arrow left and still these three callers hit it and kill the cowboys with one arrow(remarkable shot i hear you shout) to the internet plays as we all are, I hear you laugh "Tell us something new Sam"
This is the really strange thing, go and check out the WSOP (TOP TEN) bad beats of all time, you will wet yourself laughing, I promise. Because this is the strange part (You, Yes You as an internet player who has played for a Month, in all probability( i'll check with Mr Sklansky if that's possible) have already encountered and felt the body blow of bad beats that surpass the greats. Yes i hear all the Professionals screaming"what do we know about bad beats, losing our seat at a $5 MultiTaleTournament MTT is hardly soul destroying, but if you read Phil Helmuths bad beat in the top ten. His all in AK called by QJs and the QJ pairs up, yes a bad beat but on a scale one to ten, mmmmmmmmmmmmm about 0.3 for internet bad beats. WSOP $10k seat, ok it would cripple me($10 seats hurt beyond belief, but i am poor and not a pro). WHere is all this waffle leading(well bare with me). After a week or so of indeiffernet Luck, but luck has nothing to do with it I start a $5 MTT on the prima network, friendly table and everyone is wishing everyone else GL(Good luck). I ask a simple request and that is, just as a sort of mini experiment Lets see in the first half an hour to an hour how many times the pre flop fav wins against the underdog. Maybe this might embarrase the Ace anything callers(you know the ones, who even if they only had one card and it was An Ace they would still go all-in. 55mins later the score stood at 13 to 4.
Which isn't that bad, until you find out that the 13 was for the under dogs, now i'm not talking underdogs like 78s taking down 89s. QQvs 55, A6os A8os AJos all hitting the last arrow to kill the cowboys.
I had two bad beats, which i shall bore you to death with
AJ me on the button and i flat call(5 involved). Flop AhJs2c. No bets i raise 300, and get re raised 350( he is all in) I call and his hand is turned over 10hJh, internet players will know what happened next. Non internet players have a heart will you, two to be precise. I trebled up the next hand to be withing 50 or so of where i was 2 hands earlier. The last bad beat i witnessed was my KK all in on the Button1500, 1100 in the pot with 4 limpers and the blinds, with the BB who calls all in with 77, i was looking at 2.5 to 3 times my money and i was the big favourite. The rest they say is history and very boring if you are an internet player, if you are not and you area pro you can add it to your all time top ten bad beats, and when your not winning you can whine on about it just like me
KK vs 77 isnt that bad a beat(ive had a lot lot worse) but the 13 to 4 is what worries me.
I love to see 2 3 or 4 all ins pre flop, and no one hits anything. Really internet players it does happen
WHich as a dealer happened as much as it should have. Internet play and their flops, it's like a neck and neck race, it happens so fast that the pre flop favourite goes behind on the flop to edge back in front only to be drowned on the river. Sometimes you even know that the "Maniac" still in who hit the runner runner(sometimes unaware of why they have wonlol) then says "WOW"
Just goes to show that the real money is not made from those who understand Poker and can profit over the longer term, but it's made from the newcomer's. The ones with very little or almost no understanding at all of the game and the many many levels that it can be played on.
If the internet games are not fixed, which they have no real reason to be.
Why can the software not be run by an independant company, the same way that the CAsino's do not make their own cards roulette wheels or shoes( for black jack not the ones on the dealers feet).
One independant body, one state registered( the gaming board maybe?) to run and overlook the software that sees the flop produce a "Wow, nobody hit anything" that is amazing, unbelieveably in fact.
Me as a player would be over joyed and willing to play at a site that could deal Real and uninteresting flops at a normal rate.
I truely believe that the underdog has had it's day, it's time to see favourites become favourites once more.
This season's new fashion(In the poker world, is there fashion? oh yes, loud loud over weight and over opinionated)So anyway this seasons new fashion is and always will be the old favourtites, so rise up AA KK AKs and yes even the ladies are invited too, QQ for you new guys/girls. Hookers are not invited thou(JJ) to either internet or real life party, Hookers are always under-dressed and tend to leave you feeling that way.
So AA KK AKS QQ take you rightful throne and do not bow down anymore 55 66 77 88 99 56os and other such all in nonsense. It's time that the prime hands on the net had the same backbone as their close relatives in the "REAL Casino's"
So the big question(from this waffling on and on idiot that i am) is this, when will internet play become more Real, for me the answer is simply, when the cards have a more realistic flop turn and river, rather than the dramatisation that the ineternet poker rooms seem to think we need. Boring boring flops is what we would much rather have(at the normal rate nothing more). Once we have this i can assure you that the high level of insults will drop to the more realistic level of one or 2 a night.
I shall sign off(thank God) by leaving you with this,
When you are not winning don't start whining,WE( I include myself in both sides of this) have heard enough.
So it's time to let us be bored from time to time with un interesting flops, so much nicer for the real Card players
KInd regards
Sam Scott

P.s Feel free to reply, just make it short and try not to waffle on and on, as it is gets tiring to read most things that go on for more than three lines

[grimel]

I'll work from the UlitmateBet starting point (because I happen to play there most and have a better grasp of their numbers).

1200 tables, 9000 players, and 50+ hands per hour makes for 60,000 hands dealt per hour (1,440,000 per day) with 540,000,000 sets of pocket cards per hour (12,960,000,000 per day). The low buy in's/micro limits you refer too have (especially at early levels) makes for a very loose game. Given at least 5 callers per hand AA is a losing hand half the time. AA, KK, QQ, and AK will be losers most of the time early in a low/micro buy in internet event simply due to the extremely loose nature of the game.

My $0.02 on the matter.

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P.s Feel free to reply, just make it short and try not to waffle on and on, as it is gets tiring to read most things that go on for more than three lines


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Oh, the irony.

[Ace_Ren]

Understand that early in a tourney, the blinds are nowhere near the size of your total chips. With blinds at 10/20 and 1000 or 1500 in starting chips, an 80 chip bet (4x BB, the usual recommendation) is not a large enough amount to protect big hands from people with suited connectors or A/X because those people know that if they do hit hard, you might not be able to back away from your big hand.

If they knew for certain that beating you would result in them taking all 1000 chips, the implied odds makes almost every (every???) hand worth playing for 80. Obviously, people don't know for certain, so you shouldn't limp in with everything, but calling a decent raise with suited connectors or A/X can be effective against players who can't get off their big hands early in a sit-n-go.

[Shoe]

I get the feeling there is another message board out there somewhere getting a good laugh out of this.

[Shanty]

Thanks for asking this question. This grey haired newbie is too ignorant to know the answer (or know that there might be other BBs laughing at it). I am obsessed with the Small Stakes Hold'em book and have played the freebie games on a couple of sites to practice. The freebies are not a good indication, I am sure. Everybody plays like it is free money. Imagine that. Thanks again. Shanty

[GrannyMae]

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Does AA KK AKs even QQ(Internet hands) need to visit the Gym? Why are they not as strong as their real life counter parts, Has the transaction from reality to the net weakened them? A question that i am almost sure has been asked and answered a million times before, but bare with me i am quite new to all this. Remarkable beats(another word for bad beats) on the net happening at an incredible rate, especially at the beginning of a sit n go or a multi table tournament.. I won't bore you with the ones that have happened to me,as i'm sure that you have all experienced the same
When i say that i am new to internet poker this is very true, no point in lying(or should i say trying to bluff you all)
Many many years ago i was a poker dealer(YAWWWWWWWWWWWWWNNNN) in Casinos, and i have dealt my remarkable hands and watched as unbelieveable things happened. I understand that internet poker is 2 to 3 times faster than i ever was at dealing, and if you play 2,3 or more table you get to see a lot more Interesting things. But, and this is where it gets interesting, I understand that on-line Poker rooms have nothing to win/lose by adjusting the cards [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]. They have their rake no matter what the outcome, but just to keep the game a little more exciting and to keep those that are very very new to the game still interested and returning to the tagbles time after time. Why not? let them call all-in with A rag(yes all three of them and take down the cowboysKK) one arrow left and still these three callers hit it and kill the cowboys with one arrow(remarkable shot i hear you shout) to the internet plays as we all are, I hear you laugh "Tell us something new Sam"
This is the really strange thing, go and check out the WSOP (TOP TEN) bad beats of all time, you will wet yourself laughing, I promise. Because this is the strange part (You, Yes You as an internet player who has played for a Month, in all probability( i'll check with Mr Sklansky if that's possible) have already encountered and felt the body blow of bad beats that surpass the greats. Yes i hear all the Professionals screaming"what do we know about bad beats, losing our seat at a $5 MultiTaleTournament MTT is hardly soul destroying, but if you read Phil Helmuths bad beat in the top ten. His all in AK called by QJs and the QJ pairs up, yes a bad beat but on a scale one to ten, mmmmmmmmmmmmm about 0.3 for internet bad beats. WSOP $10k seat, ok it would cripple me($10 seats hurt beyond belief, but i am poor and not a pro). WHere is all this waffle leading(well bare with me). After a week or so of indeiffernet Luck, but luck has nothing to do with it I start a $5 MTT on the prima network, friendly table and everyone is wishing everyone else GL(Good luck). I ask a simple request and that is, just as a sort of mini experiment Lets see in the first half an hour to an hour how many times the pre flop fav wins against the underdog. Maybe this might embarrase the Ace anything callers(you know the ones, who even if they only had one card and it was An Ace they would still go all-in. 55mins later the score stood at 13 to 4.
Which isn't that bad, until you find out that the 13 was for the under dogs, now i'm not talking underdogs like 78s taking down 89s. QQvs 55, A6os A8os AJos all hitting the last arrow to kill the cowboys.
I had two bad beats, which i shall bore you to death with
AJ me on the button and i flat call(5 involved). Flop AhJs2c. No bets i raise 300, and get re raised 350( he is all in) I call and his hand is turned over 10hJh, internet players will know what happened next. Non internet players have a heart will you, two to be precise. I trebled up the next hand to be withing 50 or so of where i was 2 hands earlier. The last bad beat i witnessed was my KK all in on the Button1500, 1100 in the pot with 4 limpers and the blinds, with the BB who calls all in with 77, i was looking at 2.5 to 3 times my money and i was the big favourite. The rest they say is history and very boring if you are an internet player, if you are not and you area pro you can add it to your all time top ten bad beats, and when your not winning you can whine on about it just like me
KK vs 77 isnt that bad a beat(ive had a lot lot worse) but the 13 to 4 is what worries me.
I love to see 2 3 or 4 all ins pre flop, and no one hits anything. Really internet players it does happen
WHich as a dealer happened as much as it should have. Internet play and their flops, it's like a neck and neck race, it happens so fast that the pre flop favourite goes behind on the flop to edge back in front only to be drowned on the river. Sometimes you even know that the "Maniac" still in who hit the runner runner(sometimes unaware of why they have wonlol) then says "WOW"
Just goes to show that the real money is not made from those who understand Poker and can profit over the longer term, but it's made from the newcomer's. The ones with very little or almost no understanding at all of the game and the many many levels that it can be played on.
If the internet games are not fixed, which they have no real reason to be.
Why can the software not be run by an independant company, the same way that the CAsino's do not make their own cards roulette wheels or shoes( for black jack not the ones on the dealers feet).
One independant body, one state registered( the gaming board maybe?) to run and overlook the software that sees the flop produce a "Wow, nobody hit anything" that is amazing, unbelieveably in fact.
Me as a player would be over joyed and willing to play at a site that could deal Real and uninteresting flops at a normal rate.
I truely believe that the underdog has had it's day, it's time to see favourites become favourites once more.
This season's new fashion(In the poker world, is there fashion? oh yes, loud loud over weight and over opinionated)So anyway this seasons new fashion is and always will be the old favourtites, so rise up AA KK AKs and yes even the ladies are invited too, QQ for you new guys/girls. Hookers are not invited thou(JJ) to either internet or real life party, Hookers are always under-dressed and tend to leave you feeling that way.
So AA KK AKS QQ take you rightful throne and do not bow down anymore 55 66 77 88 99 56os and other such all in nonsense. It's time that the prime hands on the net had the same backbone as their close relatives in the "REAL Casino's"
So the big question(from this waffling on and on idiot that i am) is this, when will internet play become more Real, for me the answer is simply, when the cards have a more realistic flop turn and river, rather than the dramatisation that the ineternet poker rooms seem to think we need. Boring boring flops is what we would much rather have(at the normal rate nothing more). Once we have this i can assure you that the high level of insults will drop to the more realistic level of one or 2 a night.
I shall sign off(thank God) by leaving you with this,
When you are not winning don't start whining,WE( I include myself in both sides of this) have heard enough.
So it's time to let us be bored from time to time with un interesting flops, so much nicer for the real Card players
KInd regards
Sam Scott

P.s Feel free to reply, just make it short and try not to waffle on and on, as it is gets tiring to read most things that go on for more than three lines

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FLOOR!

[cardsharkace]

I've been playing Doyle’s Room online for awhile now, and I have noticed that a lot of the hands seem to induce betting. The reason I think is because the more money in the pot, the more rake they get. Also the rate of bad beats is incredible. The mathematics in it are so off its ridicules. I am constantly getting my AK beat by A7 off and seeing QK beating AK, Flopping sets, only to get beat by backdoor flushes.... Has anybody seen a website that the underdog isn't the favorite 75% most of the time?

[jedi]

Wow, how many new posters can troll this post?

[AngryCola]

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Wow, how many new posters can troll this post?

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I noticed the same thing in the Pokerhost thread in this forum.

Aside from that, there are now 4 threads at the top of this forum which absolutely don't belong here.
People click the first link and post without ever bothering to look at whether or not it's the right forum.

Bah...

"This goes here now."