What do you think of my play on these two hands?

Bigwig · #1 03-15-2005, 09:46 PM

Please comment.

1.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t15 (8 handed) converter

MP1 (t940)
MP2 (t960)
CO (t1190)
Button (t2530)
SB (t365)
Hero (t1000)
UTG (t2015)
UTG+1 (t1000)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 calls t15, 2 folds, CO calls t15, Button calls t15, 1 fold, Hero checks.

Flop: (t67.50) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players)
Hero bets t40, UTG+1 folds, CO calls t40, Button folds.

Turn: (t147.50) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets t75, CO calls t75.

River: (t297.50) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets t125, CO raises to t250, Hero calls t125.

Final Pot: t797.50

Results in white below: 
Hero has 5h 3d (two pair, fives and threes).
CO has 7c 7s (straight, seven high).
Outcome: CO wins t797.50. 

2.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t50 (8 handed) converter

SB (t720)
BB (t1710)
UTG (t860)
UTG+1 (t880)
MP1 (t1020)
MP2 (t1240)
CO (t2745)
Hero (t825)

Preflop: Hero is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
2 folds, MP1 raises to t150, 2 folds, Hero raises to t825 (All-In), 2 folds, MP1 calls t675.

Flop: (t1725) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

Turn: (t1725) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: (t1725) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: t1725

Results in white below: 
MP1 has Kc Ah (one pair, sixes).
Hero has As Qs (one pair, sixes).
Outcome: MP1 wins t1725.

lastchance · #2 03-15-2005, 09:54 PM

1 is horrible, IMHO.
Preflop check is obvious.
I don't like the flop bet, though it's not horrible. I probably check/fold this, as your straight draw isn't strong, and your low pair is pretty lousy.
I hate your turn bet. I think you have to check/fold once your flop bet is beat, maybe call a bet of t30.
Your river bet is horrible. Maybe you can check/call at this point, but no hand calls you, and once you're raised, you've got to be beat.

Bigwig · #3 03-15-2005, 09:58 PM

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1 is horrible, IMHO.
Preflop check is obvious.
I don't like the flop bet, though it's not horrible. I probably check/fold this, as your straight draw isn't strong, and your low pair is pretty lousy.

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Well, I'm only against two players here. That's why I bet the flop. Hell, sometimes I'd bet with absolutely nothing here on a rag flop with only two callers on a bluff. But I wouldn't do that at this blind level.

Why is my straight draw not 'strong?'

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Maybe you can check/call at this point, but no hand calls you, and once you're raised, you've got to be beat.

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Why do I 'have' to be beat? I have two pair. I'm not comfortable that it's the best hand (hence my call), but why are you sure I'm beat?

Thanks.

curtains · #4 03-15-2005, 10:18 PM

I hate betting out the flop with 53. This is the kind of hand that looks a lot better than it is. Once I'm called I definitely don't bet the turn.

Bigwig · #5 03-15-2005, 10:21 PM

Oops. I just noticed that I was against three opponents, not two. Normally I would check this against three.

What do you think of a check raise on this flop if I'm fairly certain that I can isolate one opponent?

Happy ending--I finished 2nd, and would've won if my A8o had held up vs. 53s heads up.

curtains · #6 03-15-2005, 10:24 PM

I wouldn't normally check raise this no.

Bigwig · #7 03-15-2005, 10:27 PM

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I wouldn't normally check raise this no.

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You're too verbose. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

curtains · #8 03-15-2005, 10:41 PM

Well there are situations where I would, but not normally [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] It would have to be special.

SuitedSixes · #9 03-15-2005, 10:49 PM

Hand 1-
I've been leading out on flops like this as well, and I think it has been costing me for the same reasons you ran into. It was nice to see someone else do it in a HH to realize how bad it really is. You lead out because you've got a piece with a draw and wouldn't mind picking it up right there. Once you get called on the flop, you feel compelled to continue leading the action lest you show weakness, which is exactly what you have. You didn't voluntarily commit anything, go into check/fold mode. Lorinda's "Do you really need this pot" question seems to really apply here.

Hand 2-
AQs is not worth a call of this raise, much less an all-in over the top with 16.5 BB in level 3.

Bigwig · #10 03-15-2005, 10:51 PM

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Hand 2-
AQs is not worth a call of this raise, much less an all-in over the top with 16.5 BB in level 3.

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You don't think AQs is better than an 11:9 favorite vs. the range raiser has?