Line Check Please - Suited Connector Played Fast

Double Eagle · #1 03-15-2005, 03:18 PM

In my seemingly never-ending quest to open up my game I thought I'd post this hand for comment. This hand is from last nite's $109NL on Stars, shortly after the first break. I had just doubled up in the previous orbit with AA vs AK and have my typical tight/solid image. I know I'm out of position here, but the table had been playing very tightly pre-flop (not much re-raising going on) and I thought I would be able to extract a fair amount of chips if got called and hit my hand. Villain in this hand seemed to slightly loose/passive but otherwise straightforward (had not been bullying at all.) Is my line here ok, or is there some way I could have gotten more from what is obviously a very speculative hand? Other comments?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t150 (9 handed) converter

MP3 (t12175)
CO (t1575)
Button (t1765)
SB (t1445)
BB (t4153)
UTG (t1187)
Hero (t4735)
MP1 (t1060)
MP2 (t3400)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
1 fold, Hero raises to t450, 2 folds, MP3 calls t450, 4 folds.

Flop: (t1125) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets t750, MP3 calls t750.

Turn: (t2625) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets t1200, MP3 folds.

Final Pot: t3825

MLG · #2 03-15-2005, 03:23 PM

check the turn.

Rduke55 · #3 03-15-2005, 03:24 PM

I think you did it right.
You bet just under 1/2 pot there so how much cheaper would you go?
I'd think if he had anything worth calling he'd have called that bet.

Double Eagle · #4 03-15-2005, 03:28 PM

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check the turn.

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Am I check calling or raising? What is my line with a check call / or if he checks behind and a diamond hits the river?

Rduke55 · #5 03-15-2005, 03:30 PM

MLG, can you expand? I would have played this hand the same way and it sounds like you think it's costing chips.
My thinking was that my hand is fairly well disguised.
Wouldn't a check be suspicious?

MLG · #6 03-15-2005, 03:32 PM

I'm check calling and leading the river, hoping to confuse him into a call. If it checks behind I lead the river for 1/2 pot. If a diamond hits, meh, I'll probably bet about 1/2 pot anyway and then fold to a raise.

This line works well for me because I raise a lot preflop and lead at a lot of flops, thus many times people see my turn check as weak (since many times it is). I win lots of big pots by making a hand on the turn and bluff enducing.

Potowame · #7 03-15-2005, 03:37 PM

HOH recommends to make this play every so often so, not be peg as a ABC player. You have a deep enough stack that you can make plays like this to accumulate chips.

This is really idea when a guy getting tricky with AA or KK mini raises you or smooth calls, and will go to the felt on a flop that clobbers you.

The hand was played well, The board was very scary for a one paired hand. I think a check on the turn , call lead 1/3 pot. Overall it was a nice accumulation pot.

MLG · #8 03-15-2005, 03:37 PM

I think if a turn check is suspicious here, you aren't playing aggresively enough preflop/flop. You should be following through on the flop on the majority of hands you raise with. Thus in my mind the turn check just looks like your giving up on the hand after missing the flop.

Cleveland Guy · #9 03-15-2005, 03:40 PM

I also think your underbet here is fishy.

You led out for 3/4ths the pot after raising out of position.

Now you are slowing down, but still betting 40% of the pot on a Turn that could be a scare card.

not sure about your normal betting pattern - but against most players I'm hearing bells and whistles going off and telling me I'm being trapped.

That's a bet that's screaming "RAISE ME PLEASE".

If they player wants to be raised, I'm thinking I want out of the hand unless I have the Nuts.

Either check raise - or bet bigger.

zaxx19 · #10 03-15-2005, 03:42 PM

Easy check for the turn ...give him a shot to bet at this.