Too Loose of a Push?

Skip Brutale · #1 03-14-2005, 09:10 PM

6-handed 100/200 I have 900 with JK and push UTG2.

citanul · #2 03-14-2005, 09:27 PM

UTG+2 is the cutoff right? Then it's probably a clear push even though you didn't give us any silly extra information like what the stack sizes of the other players at the table are, or tendencies of the blinds when playing their blinds.

citanul

Kaz The Original · #3 03-14-2005, 09:32 PM

There are no circumstances which make this anything but a push.

Benholio · #4 03-14-2005, 09:51 PM

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There are no circumstances which make this anything but a push.

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Everyone has 10 chips but the blinds!

rybones · #5 03-14-2005, 09:51 PM

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Really? What if utg pushes and utg+1 calls? is this still a push? What if utg is the only push and the only hand you have seen him push is A,A? What if sb and bb both have less than 1.5xbb each? I might think a fold is in line there as well. Now if it is folded to you, you have only 4.5xbb, other stacks are all your size or bigger, push with your K,J. Hell push with 7,2o.

Am I an idiot?

Ryan

Skip Brutale · #6 03-14-2005, 09:53 PM

Ryan that would be a call and not a push.

rybones · #7 03-14-2005, 10:38 PM

semantics!!! you get my point I hope.

BradleyT · #8 03-14-2005, 11:24 PM

No, it's not semantics.

You can't call with KJ but you can push with it.

rybones · #9 03-14-2005, 11:31 PM

A) you can still push if (in my scenerio) utg and utg+1 have smaller stacks.

B) I still say there is no way I call or push if utg and utg+1 merely call. The call from one or both indicates they will call a push from a short stack but fold to a big stack. One or both likely has A high and thus you are beat.

Alas, I say "semantics" because I fold this unless I am opening.

Just my thoughts,

Ryan

citanul · #10 03-14-2005, 11:35 PM

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as others have noted, if, for instance, the two guys who have folded each have less than 1 bb, it's probably a fold, i would think. we could run some icm numbers. if you are the 2nd stack, and the big stack is in the bb and calls any bet, it's probably not a good push, but i'm not sure.

my post was mostly to point out that hand questions really should try to incorporate something approaching information about the hand before asking people to make comments as to the proper play.

i agree though, that in all "standard" situations, this is a push.

citanul