Lost too much with KK?

jdp · #1 03-09-2005, 09:19 PM

Could I have played this better to lose less money?

Party Poker Pot-Limit Hold'em, $10 BB (10 handed) converter

saw flop|saw showdown

Button ($1786)
Hero ($915)
BB ($845.87)
UTG ($1369.5)
UTG+1 ($1383)
UTG+2 ($990)
MP1 ($997)
MP2 ($1589)
MP3 ($1557.5)
CO ($3375.75)

Preflop: Hero is SB with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. Hero posts a blind of $5.
UTG calls $10, UTG+1 calls $10, UTG+2 calls $10, 5 folds, Hero (poster) raises to $50, BB calls $45, UTG folds, UTG+1 calls $45, UTG+2 calls $45.

Flop: ($230) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
Hero bets $125, BB folds, UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 calls $125.

Turn: ($480) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets $400, UTG+2 calls $400.

River: ($1280) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero calls $335 (All-In), UTG+2 calls $335.

Final Pot: $1950

Results in white below: 
Hero has Kh Kc (two pair, kings and twos).
UTG+2 has 7d 7h (full house, sevens full of twos).
Outcome: UTG+2 wins $1950.

gomberg · #2 03-09-2005, 09:31 PM

looks good to me, you almost always have the best hand on that flop, and if you think he'll call those bets with an overpair, keep on value betting. Unlucky...

soah · #3 03-09-2005, 09:41 PM

What is he calling $400 with which you can beat?

jdp · #4 03-09-2005, 09:59 PM

Medium pair maybe? Are you saying you would check the turn, or maybe bet a small amount, perhaps $200, and fold to a large raise?
btw as I recall, he had a VP$IP of about 20.

soah · #5 03-09-2005, 10:11 PM

A limper with a VP$IP of 20 is not calling that turn bet with a pair.

Personally, I would have raised full pot preflop and bet a bit stronger on the flop. If I get called on that type of board then I'm clearly either way ahead or way behind. From that point on it gets trickier, but if you continue to blast away at the pot your opponent will have to be completely clueless to make a mistake against you. They get their money in if they can beat your big pair, and fold if they can't.

ggbman · #6 03-09-2005, 10:26 PM

What were you going to do, put him on 77? By the time the money goes in on the turn you are definitly pot committed. Nothing you can do about that... it just sucks.

greywolf · #7 03-09-2005, 10:48 PM

i think if hes capable of calling the flop bet with 77 when he doesnt have the implied odds for a twoouter and you aren't bluffing with two overs here(multiwaypot), then hes also capable of callling off his whole stack with JJ-QQ or lower.
Having said that i _might_ bet a little smaller on the turn trying to make sure he is calling with smaller PP.

If he raises allin on the turn showing great strength i am giving him credit for a big hand and i might let the kings go. if he smoothcalls i am valuebetting the river for sure. Its not like i am looking for reasons to fold on this board with KK

soah · #8 03-09-2005, 10:52 PM

There's a big difference between calling a fairly weak flop bet in position with one pair and calling off your entire stack with that pair. You are allowed to do the former without being committed to the latter, and many players take advantage of that if they aren't sure where they are at in the hand.

Yeti · #9 03-09-2005, 10:54 PM

You need to make it more preflop and then pot the flop.

After that it basically has played itself out. Unlucky.

Cornell Fiji · #10 03-10-2005, 12:15 AM

Looks good.

-Steve