Flop top pair + flush draw from the BB in Party $215

b0000000000m · #1 03-09-2005, 01:35 AM

What's your plan for the flop, and on? My notes tell me both players are pretty amateur, with about 25-27% ITM for each. How does your play change for two solid opponents?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (6 handed) converter

CO (t1690)
Button (t2185)
SB (t1205)
Hero (t1225)
UTG (t2075)
MP (t1620)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG calls t30, 2 folds, Button calls t30, 1 fold, Hero checks.

Flop: (t105) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero ??

lorinda · #2 03-09-2005, 01:37 AM

My plan is to get my chips in on the flop. If I fail to do this (by trap checking, or some other means) then I proceed incredibly carefully with my top pair, no kicker.

I don't play the 200s, so am not sure as to the best course of action to get my chips in, but I want them in.

Lori

TheUsher · #3 03-09-2005, 01:49 AM

I'd love this flop if my 2 was a 9,T,Q,K,A. Other than that it's still way too early to go broke.

Edit: But I'd still be willing to probably lose half my stack or so to this if it came down to it.

curtains · #4 03-09-2005, 02:39 AM

I usually just bet out on this flop. However it's hard to say what is right and what's wrong here. There are so many factors to take into account.

Seadood228 · #5 03-09-2005, 03:19 AM

This is a tough level to go for a checkraise IMO, because you can be setting yourself up for a difficult turn decision if you don't improve. It'd be a lot easier to check this hand on level 3 IMO.

I don't think there's anything wrong with check/calling this flop, and possibly playing the rest of the hand as such, but I personally would prefer make a nice sized lead.

If I'm raised, I'd definitely assume I'm behind and, depending on the pot odds, decide whether or not to continue.

Yeah it's weak [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] But level 2 is way too early to go broke, even with a big hand/draw. Especially against a poor player who would probably call a bet/raise/push with a hand such as JT or QJ.

[EDIT] Oh and against a solid opponent I'd be much more willing to get the chips in, or at least go for a checkraise. You've got a better chance of winning the pot with a nice sized semibluff against that type of player.

Vee Quiva · #6 03-09-2005, 06:42 PM

The pot is only 105. He has over 1000 chips left. There is no reason to push all in here.

I think checking or a 1/2 sized pot bet work well either way.

If you check and then call a reasonable bet, it looks like you are playing the flush draw, so your action might dry up when the third diamond comes.

If you lead out, you are representing a made had with the Jacks and you might get a lower flush draw to make the call. If the diamond comes you may win a lot of chips. The downside is the other player may have called with a suited Ace or King and then you are up the creek.