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Old 03-08-2005, 12:01 AM
wuwei wuwei is offline
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Default KJo in level 1, 20+2

My thought on the flop was that trying to push people off their hands here could be tough. I would need to raise substantially enough that the pot would be getting unwieldy by the turn. Decided I'd raise a turn blank.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t15 (9 handed) converter

MP3 (t1935)
CO (t825)
Hero (t800)
SB (t820)
BB (t725)
UTG (t730)
UTG+1 (t635)
MP1 (t760)
MP2 (t770)

Preflop: Hero is Button with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG calls t15, UTG+1 calls t15, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP3 calls t15, CO calls t15, Hero calls t15, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (t102.50) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(7 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 bets t20</font>, MP3 calls t20, CO calls t20, Hero calls t20, SB folds, BB folds, UTG folds.

Turn: (t182.50) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
UTG+1 checks, MP3 checks, <font color="#CC3333">CO bets t50</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t225</font>...
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Old 03-08-2005, 12:03 AM
1C5 1C5 is offline
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Default Re: KJo in level 1, 20+2

Fold preflop. Problem solved. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
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Old 03-08-2005, 12:05 AM
Allinlife Allinlife is offline
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Default Re: KJo in level 1, 20+2

if you want to play KJo for 15 on button, go ahead

but don't get involved w/o 2pair +
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Old 03-08-2005, 12:07 AM
Bigwig Bigwig is offline
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Default Re: KJo in level 1, 20+2

I don't dislike a turn raise, but you really don't need one quite that large. I think raising to 150 or 175 is fine.

But just calling and seeing the river is okay, too. I've got a feeling that you've got the best hand at this point.
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Old 03-08-2005, 12:08 AM
ilya ilya is offline
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Default Re: KJo in level 1, 20+2

I like your line.

FPF though.
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Old 03-08-2005, 02:59 PM
Scuba Chuck Scuba Chuck is offline
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Default Re: KJo in level 1, 20+2

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Flop: (t102.50)

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How do you get 0.50 chip in this hand?
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Old 03-08-2005, 03:32 PM
spentrent spentrent is offline
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Default Re: KJo in level 1, 20+2

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Flop: (t102.50)

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How do you get 0.50 chip in this hand?

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Converter seems to have a few known problems. I'm working on a new one for poos and hahas.
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Old 03-08-2005, 03:34 PM
ZBTHorton ZBTHorton is offline
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Default Re: KJo in level 1, 20+2

Fooooooooooolllllllldddddd pre flop
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Old 03-08-2005, 03:34 PM
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Default Re: KJo in level 1, 20+2

You don't want to play KJo even from the button on level 1. Many players, including me, will limp KQ (I occassionally play KQs from middle to late position, but top pair isn't all that sexy too me, i want two pair or better) some even limp AK (I don't but some do.) Plus many will limp pocket 4's or 2's.

You are unable to defend against straight or flush draws aggressively in fear of being out kicked. You don't know if someone is chasing a flush or calling you down with KQ or slow playing trips. You can also easily be bluffed off of best hand with KJ.

It's likely you have the best hand but I think you will find that more often you will lose chips with KJoff early than gain anything considerable.

I could see playing KJs cheaply and looking for 2 pair, trips, straight or flush. I would dump KJ off without hesitating.
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Old 03-08-2005, 05:24 PM
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Default Re: KJo in level 1, 20+2

I fold preflop, but call with KQ so I can't say it's too bad.

Doesn't anyone think he should raise the flop?

You don't want to give the diamond draw the chance to make a big raise on you?

Delaying your raise to make your hand look stronger?

You did give a cheap card for a lot of hands you could have beat and just increased how much you would lose to KQ.
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