bad valuebet on 2pair river?

dark_horse · #1 03-04-2005, 05:20 PM

villian's flop raise/turn call should have clued me in he was going for a free card on the turn. with the flush card on the river, perhaps i should have checked?

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Preflop: Hero is UTG with J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
Hero calls, 2 folds, MP2 calls, 2 folds, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (4 SB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets, MP2 raises, SB folds, BB folds, Hero 3-bets, MP2 calls.

Turn: (5 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, MP2 calls.

River: (7 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, MP2 raises, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 11 BB

davelin · #2 03-04-2005, 05:23 PM

Villain's flop/turn play doesn't scream draw necessarily. I think this is fine.

dark_horse · #3 03-04-2005, 05:27 PM

what would scream draw louder than not getting capped on the flop after he raises and not being raised on the turn?

davelin · #4 03-04-2005, 05:31 PM

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what would scream draw louder than not getting capped on the flop after he raises and not being raised on the turn?

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Kx
Jx
QT

Chadt74 · #5 03-04-2005, 05:32 PM

been at work too long, didn't read first post right thanks!

dark_horse · #6 03-04-2005, 05:42 PM

There was no 4 to a straight on the board. Yeah, he was on a flushdraw. K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. I would have definitely capped the flop if I were him. And I was betting into him on the turn, so maybe you meant to say you'd expect him to raise the turn, not bet.

dark_horse · #7 03-04-2005, 05:43 PM

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what would scream draw louder than not getting capped on the flop after he raises and not being raised on the turn?

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Kx
Jx
QT

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No, I mean, what would scream draw *from his actions* louder than the way he acted on this hand. Of course, I can't know exactly what he's holding until the showdown.

davelin · #8 03-04-2005, 05:47 PM

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what would scream draw louder than not getting capped on the flop after he raises and not being raised on the turn?

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Kx
Jx
QT

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No, I mean, what would scream draw *from his actions* louder than the way he acted on this hand. Of course, I can't know exactly what he's holding until the showdown.

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Not sure what you're saying. You seem to be saying now you knew he was on a draw, his actions on the flop and river make sense you should've known that the river diamond hit him. I'm just saying that Villain's actions comprise a wide range of possible hands that make value betting on the river fine.

dark_horse · #9 03-04-2005, 05:55 PM

Gotcha. I always tell myself, when in doubt, value bet, but I try not to take that too far to the point where I'm a fool for betting, because I'll only get called/raised if I'm beat. Sometimes it's a fine line, hence this post.