QJ flops top pair in a difficult situation...

hmkpoker · #1 03-04-2005, 09:42 AM

Villian is 30%/6% with fairly low PFA.

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Preflop: Hero is Button with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, 1 fold, MP3 calls, CO calls, Hero calls, 1 fold, BB :#A500AF(Villian)/ raises, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, MP3 calls, CO calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (12.50 SB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (6 players)
Villian bets, UTG+1 folds, MP1 folds, MP3 folds, CO folds

What is your plan and why?

27offsooot · #2 03-04-2005, 10:11 AM

I would call down unless I improve or if i'm checked to on the turn, bet and call a raise, and then fold the river UI. If c/red on the river I would fold. I think raising is useless and u have 5 outs if u are behind. I would rather let him keep betting AK or JJ and extract the most if u are ahead. I know half the forum will reply to raise the flop for info, but i don't think that is right.

DeeJ · #3 03-04-2005, 10:30 AM

This is a great situation, not a difficult one. You suddenly lost 4 players all who had put in 2 SB before the flop, and you're heads up with top pair!

Raise for information, if you get 3-bet you can probably even call down for a jack or queen which may win you the pot.

If called you may get a free card, which you could take at risk of the check-raise. River call a bet or value bet to a check unless it's an Ace/King in which case check behind. That's my plan. so shoot me already [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

krishanleong · #4 03-04-2005, 10:37 AM

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I would call down unless I improve or if i'm checked to on the turn, bet and call a raise, and then fold the river UI. If c/red on the river I would fold. I think raising is useless and u have 5 outs if u are behind. I would rather let him keep betting AK or JJ and extract the most if u are ahead.

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This is good advice.

Krishan

einbert · #5 03-04-2005, 10:39 AM

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I know half the forum will reply to raise the flop for info, but i don't think that is right.

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Call down UI.

krishanleong · #6 03-04-2005, 10:39 AM

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Raise for information,

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Ugg, this is the worst reason to raise. It looks like you are trying to raise so he can dump a worse hand so you can win the least. And if he has a hand you lose to, he gets to 3-bet you and lost the most. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

I like the other plan.

Krishan

chief444 · #7 03-04-2005, 10:45 AM

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I know half the forum will reply to raise the flop for info, but i don't think that is right.

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Of course they will. But I agree with you.

27offsooot · #8 03-04-2005, 10:51 AM

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I know half the forum will reply to raise the flop for info, but i don't think that is right.

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Of course they will. But I agree with you.

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It's only 25% so far! I think that others will refrain from arguing this though now.

chief444 · #9 03-04-2005, 10:57 AM

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It's only 25% so far! I think that others will refrain from arguing this though now.

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Good! [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Since we put an early stop to that let me add also that the preflop limp is fine and obvious before that inevitable debate begins. [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]

SlantNGo · #10 03-04-2005, 12:42 PM

I like a raise here for several reasons... possibility of a free showdown, chance to take down the pot right now (even a single overcard is a threat because of the size of the pot), and you have 5 pretty clean outs so you're not in terrible shape even if you're behind.

But what do I know, I'm still a micro [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]